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Plane Cents | Joe Penaz Three hours of rambling and gossip passed off as 'Personal Safety Training' Waconia Minnesota
*Consumer Suggestion ..He can't help himself!

Plane Cents | Joe Penaz
Phone:
Fax:

8775 Airport Road
Waconia, Minnesota,
U.S.A.
Submitted: 11/5/2007 12:49:46 PM
Modified: 3/26/2009 11:30:21 AM
Reported By
Active observer
East St. Paul, Minnesota

Ripoff Report Verified Safe

This guy advertises himself as the 'cheapest' conceal & carry instructor in the state, and I guess he's right. A buddy of mine talked me and two other friends into doing this class with him because of the price (it was just under sixty bucks), and we were 'treated' to just about hours (including breaks) of his rambling, incoherent stories, and then were signed off to get our C&C permits for MN and Utah, although I don't know what Utah has to do with it. (We all live in MN.)

He kept talking about how he was giving us 'the basics,' and kept ducking questions that we had about the law. Like when my buddy asked him if we would be able to carry our guns at the Excel Center in St. Paul (we go to a lot of concerts) he chattered for about ten minutes and couldn't give us a yes or a no, and then when my buddy called him on his shit he said that he'd been training by some law professor as though we gave a shit about who 'trained' him, and then didn't answer the question, although we did learn that he thinks its cool to brag to guys about how many times he's cheated on his wife.

He did try to sell us a bunch of stuff, though. Bowling balls, floor polishes, holsters, and some sort of nutritional supplements and tried to talk my other buddy into buying some sort of 'dealership' from him for that.

I don't think he's a ripoff artist. Just a moron who doesn't know anything but will try to sell everything.

Active observer
East St. Paul, Minnesota
U.S.A.

Author:	joelr [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:01 pm ]
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Sheesh. Reminds me of another one. (Caution: the proprietor of the Forum is not responsible for any eye bleeding that may occur upon clicking the above link.)

Author:	Andrew Rothman [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:39 pm ]
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macphisto wrote: STUNNING website, though. Quote: I will also listen to any suggestions on how to make this site better. 1. Delete it. 2. Hire a professional. From the web site, with some edits: Before: After:

Author:	macphisto [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:49 pm ]
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Well done!

Author:	joelr [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:50 pm ]
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I'm not going to be too critical of Ken; he did use a spellchecker, after all.

Author:	Scott Hughes [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:10 pm ]
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I hear that.......Plane .....Cents huh

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Author:	PocketProtector642 [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:20 pm ]
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Scott Hughes wrote: I hear that.......Plane .....Cents huh Oh, I thought that was a discount airliner website!

Author:	joelr [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:37 pm ]
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No, that's planecents.com. I'm sure that they swiped it from the owner of plaincents.net, who has the much more desirable .net TLD. And then there's stuff you can't make up, which is why I'm going to move some of this to another category, shortly.

Author:	Long Ago LEO [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:13 pm ]
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A Masters Degree in "Business Taxation?" Yeah, that would be my first choice for Mayor. These websites are painful.

Author:	bensdad [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:30 pm ]
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OMG! Kick the last half of this thread over to strategy before somebody gets miffed. That site was funny as hell. Thanks Joel. Jesums, I'm still laughing. The guy does carry classes, drills bowling balls, bail bonding, sells some sort of amsoil (whatever the hell that is), teaches guitar, scuba, etc. That's good stuff. I'm gonna feel really bad if it's somebody from here.

Author:	joelr [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:43 pm ]
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Joe Penaz* isn't somebody from here, but, yeah, he's not exactly "on the job." _____________ * His name is right up near the top of the website. Kinda like the warning label.

Author:	Ronin069 [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:24 pm ]
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Gee, I don't know...kind of looking forward to visiting twincityscarry.net (read twincity-scarry) They say you need to read something til the end to get to the good stuff...in this case it was worth it! ---------------------------------------- These are sites designed to trick you away from me why? Because they can't compete any other way! Why does he need to resort to this? Is this the kind of guy you want to train you? Be sure to visit our new sites coming soon! www.twincitycarry.com www.twincitiescarry.net www.twincitycarry.net www.twincitycarry.info www.concealandcarry.info www.concealandcarry.net

Author:	Lenny7 [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:04 pm ]
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An interesting complaint: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/283/ripoff0283042.htm Quote: Plane Cents \| Joe Penaz Three hours of rambling and gossip passed off as 'Personal Safety Training' Waconia Minnesota *Consumer Suggestion ..He can't help himself! Plane Cents \| Joe Penaz Phone: Fax: 8775 Airport Road Waconia, Minnesota, U.S.A. Submitted: 11/5/2007 12:49:46 PM Modified: 3/26/2009 11:30:21 AM Reported By Active observer East St. Paul, Minnesota Ripoff Report Verified Safe This guy advertises himself as the 'cheapest' conceal & carry instructor in the state, and I guess he's right. A buddy of mine talked me and two other friends into doing this class with him because of the price (it was just under sixty bucks), and we were 'treated' to just about hours (including breaks) of his rambling, incoherent stories, and then were signed off to get our C&C permits for MN and Utah, although I don't know what Utah has to do with it. (We all live in MN.) He kept talking about how he was giving us 'the basics,' and kept ducking questions that we had about the law. Like when my buddy asked him if we would be able to carry our guns at the Excel Center in St. Paul (we go to a lot of concerts) he chattered for about ten minutes and couldn't give us a yes or a no, and then when my buddy called him on his shit he said that he'd been training by some law professor as though we gave a shit about who 'trained' him, and then didn't answer the question, although we did learn that he thinks its cool to brag to guys about how many times he's cheated on his wife. He did try to sell us a bunch of stuff, though. Bowling balls, floor polishes, holsters, and some sort of nutritional supplements and tried to talk my other buddy into buying some sort of 'dealership' from him for that. I don't think he's a ripoff artist. Just a moron who doesn't know anything but will try to sell everything. Active observer East St. Paul, Minnesota U.S.A.

Author:	mrokern [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:41 pm ]
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joelr wrote: Sheesh. Reminds me of another one. (Caution: the proprietor of the Forum is not responsible for any eye bleeding that may occur upon clicking the above link.) Ow ow ow ow ow. Yeah, you warned me. I'm amused how he bashes you on one page, yet touts you on the resource page... I remember the first time I saw his flyers at Gunstop. As soon as I saw "MACHINE GUN DEMO!!!!!" I dropped it like a hot potato.

Author:	joelr [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:45 am ]
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mrokern wrote: joelr wrote: Sheesh. Reminds me of another one. (Caution: the proprietor of the Forum is not responsible for any eye bleeding that may occur upon clicking the above link.) Ow ow ow ow ow. Yeah, you warned me. I did. Not my fault, you know. Quote: I'm amused how he bashes you on one page, yet touts you on the resource page... As much as I want to, I can't quite fault Joe for sending his students to me for post-class support; I think it's in their interest, and his, albeit not mine, for me to help them out. (I try to avoid doing that anymore. I think I have an obligation to help out the folks who took my class, of course, but I don't remember signing up as a resource for Joe's students. Maybe I'm forgetful; I dunno.) Quote: I remember the first time I saw his flyers at Gunstop. As soon as I saw "MACHINE GUN DEMO!!!!!" I dropped it like a hot potato. Oh, come on -- don't you see the importance of watching a guy shoot a machine gun and not shooting his dog in a carry class? A carry class without a machine gun shoot is like one without bowling balls, or dessert toppings, or nutritional supplements (can you imagine carrying a handgun without taking your mango?), or a fish without a bicycle.

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