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JimC
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Post subject: So what if it's posted? Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:58 am |
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Besides restricted by law premises, so what if a store puts up a no guns allowed sign?
If they see a gun, they ask you to leave. Big deal
Most here carry concealed anyways, and the stores never even know you're carrying to begin with.
Seems like the signs have no effect
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QuietNewGuy
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:08 am |
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Joined: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:05 pm Posts: 93 Location: Brooklyn Park
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Personally, it's a matter of priniciple. I don't go so far as to research every company I make purchases from to see what their politics are and if I want my retail dollars going towards supporting ideals I don't agree with. However, if I have a choice, I would rather not support a company that has is posted. National Camera is a great example. I wouldn't mind spending a few more dollars supporting a local business that allows me to stop in and fondle the cameras before I buy, but some of the stores are posted, so I take my business elsewhere.
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hammAR
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Post subject: Re: So what if it's posted? Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:55 am |
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Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:54 pm Posts: 1941 Location: N 44°56.621` W 093°11.256 (St Paul)
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JimC wrote: ............restricted by law ...............
Operative words there.
Right, wrong, or indifferent - whether you agree or not, they do have a legal right to post and ask you to leave.
Technically, you do not have a right to ignore the law, that very same law that allows you to carry................
Let's not make this a big issue, natural consequences and the uniqueness will wear off over time, as it already is in many places.
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Pakrat
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Post subject: Re: So what if it's posted? Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:03 pm |
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Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:56 am Posts: 2422 Location: Hopkins, MN
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hammAR wrote: JimC wrote: ............restricted by law ............... Operative words there. Right, wrong, or indifferent - whether you agree or not, they do have a legal right to post and ask you to leave. Technically, you do not have a right to ignore the law, that very same law that allows you to carry................ Let's not make this a big issue, natural consequences and the uniqueness will wear off over time, as it already is in many places.
This could just be me: It sounds like you are mixing two concepts together.
1. Restricted by law - Places that are offlimits, as written into the law.
2. Businesses that are posted.
Obviously there is no debate on #1, it is flat out against the law. In #2 a business has the legal right to post and ask you to leave if they do not want you there. While you cannot ignore the LAW, you can ignore the SIGNS.
JimC, this philisophical debate has been discussed, and is discussed at least once a month. Do a search and you will find some good discussion. I think people are bored with this topic now, so you might not get as good of discussion as you may want.
_________________ Minnesota Permit to Carry Instructor; Utah Certified CFP Instructor
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JimC
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:15 pm |
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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:56 pm Posts: 1109
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Fine, Delet this thread then
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hammAR
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:16 pm |
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Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:54 pm Posts: 1941 Location: N 44°56.621` W 093°11.256 (St Paul)
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ETA: Agree, delete it........................
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Apdl
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:05 pm |
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it really dosent mean a thing unless they ask you to leave
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Pakrat
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:33 pm |
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Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:56 am Posts: 2422 Location: Hopkins, MN
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I certainly hope I didn't give the wrong tone in my post.
The thread can stay, you can ask more questions. In fact, please do. I was trying to bring previous discussions to your attention. Everyone will probably learn more by previous discussions than new ones because of people being bored with the topic and what not.
_________________ Minnesota Permit to Carry Instructor; Utah Certified CFP Instructor
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JimC
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:02 pm |
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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:56 pm Posts: 1109
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No problem, but what hasn't been discussed before?
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boomingmetropolis
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Post subject: Re: So what if it's posted? Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:45 am |
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Joined: Sun May 14, 2006 12:03 pm Posts: 173 Location: I'll get back to you on that
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Pakrat wrote: JimC, this philisophical debate has been discussed, and is discussed at least once a month. Do a search and you will find some good discussion. I think people are bored with this topic now, so you might not get as good of discussion as you may want.
If boring is a criteria for deletion, then 90%plus of what appears here is headed for the toilet.
_________________ To expect bad men not to do wrong is madness, for he who expects this desires an impossiblity. But to allow men to behave so to others and expect them not to do thee any wrong is irrational and tyranical. Marcus Aurelius
I won't mind if you call me a racist. And I'm sure YOU won't mind if I call you a target of opportunity.
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farmerj
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:49 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:13 am Posts: 714 Location: A County in MN
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The speed limit signs also say 55 MPH or 45 or 30 or 70.
Does it make it right that everyone tries to push it 5-10 MPH over the limit?
The law allows it. As I state in my class. The legal doesn't always make the logical.
But then again, some will just do what they want regardless of what society says it wants done.
_________________ We reap what we sow. In our case, we have sown our government.
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Pakrat
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:35 pm |
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boomingmetropolis wrote: If boring is a criteria for deletion, then 90%plus of what appears here is headed for the toilet. We do not delete subjects. Still, you are correct. farmerj wrote: The speed limit signs also say 55 MPH or 45 or 30 or 70.
Does it make it right that everyone tries to push it 5-10 MPH over the limit?
The law allows it. As I state in my class. The legal doesn't always make the logical.
But then again, some will just do what they want regardless of what society says it wants done.
Are you comparing walking past signs (legal) to driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit (illegal) ?
_________________ Minnesota Permit to Carry Instructor; Utah Certified CFP Instructor
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farmerj
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:44 pm |
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Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:13 am Posts: 714 Location: A County in MN
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Pakrat wrote: boomingmetropolis wrote: If boring is a criteria for deletion, then 90%plus of what appears here is headed for the toilet. We do not delete subjects. Still, you are correct. farmerj wrote: The speed limit signs also say 55 MPH or 45 or 30 or 70.
Does it make it right that everyone tries to push it 5-10 MPH over the limit?
The law allows it. As I state in my class. The legal doesn't always make the logical.
But then again, some will just do what they want regardless of what society says it wants done. Are you comparing walking past signs (legal) to driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit (illegal) ?
So if they are legally posted, and you decide to walk past that legal posting....
It is your right?
You would be breaking the law as much as speeding.
"What if" all you want. If it is illegal to do something, you are as wrong to just ignore it because you don't like the law as a burglar or worse.
_________________ We reap what we sow. In our case, we have sown our government.
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Pakrat
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:02 pm |
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farmerj wrote: So if they are legally posted, and you decide to walk past that legal posting....
It is your right?
You would be breaking the law as much as speeding.
"What if" all you want. If it is illegal to do something, you are as wrong to just ignore it because you don't like the law as a burglar or worse.
No what if's. You are only breaking the law when you have been asked to comply with signs(or legal notification of policy), and refuse to comply.
What would be pushing it is waiting for the cops to show up to give you the ticket. Which, by the way, the only way to prove you were breaking the law is for the request for compliance to be witnessed by a police officer.
_________________ Minnesota Permit to Carry Instructor; Utah Certified CFP Instructor
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jrnh5150
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:02 am |
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Pakrat wrote: boomingmetropolis wrote: If boring is a criteria for deletion, then 90%plus of what appears here is headed for the toilet. We do not delete subjects. Still, you are correct. farmerj wrote: The speed limit signs also say 55 MPH or 45 or 30 or 70.
Does it make it right that everyone tries to push it 5-10 MPH over the limit?
The law allows it. As I state in my class. The legal doesn't always make the logical.
But then again, some will just do what they want regardless of what society says it wants done. Are you comparing walking past signs (legal) to driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit (illegal) ?
How is it legal to walk past the sign?
_________________ "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Thomas Jefferson
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