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 Are you signing off on your own renewal? 

Are you going to sign off on your own renewal ?
yes  21%  21%  [ 5 ]
no  63%  63%  [ 15 ]
undecided  17%  17%  [ 4 ]
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 Are you signing off on your own renewal? 
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 Post subject: Are you signing off on your own renewal?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:21 am 
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My permit is due for renewal this summer and I would rather not sign off on my own. While it would be within the parameters of the statute (I believe) I think it would be tacky.

We have talked about instructor meetings/seminars in the past which have not happened. I think this would be a perfect opportunity for a seminar/training. See what others are doing and be able to share your expertise.


My Thoughts:
1 day seminar where each instructor would bring whatever materials they would like to share.
Each Instructor would bring 1-2 blank certificates to sign off on another instructor.
The agenda would be 3 part following the statute. (safe use/shooting/legal). A moderator for each segment to ensure discussion moved along and stayed within the subject & time frames.
This would not be new instructor training.........existing MCPPA certified instructors only.

I would offer the following
1.Coordinate event
2. Supply facility (OGC)
3. Cost would be classroom/range fee of 25.00 payable to OGC
4. Seminar date of Sun Apr 20th. I have the facility reserved for a carry class but will switch if enough are interested.

Thoughts ??

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As we have two instructors in the family, we were thinking of signing off on each other.

Does anyone see any problems with that?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:49 am 
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Selurcspi wrote:
As we have two instructors in the family, we were thinking of signing off on each other.

Does anyone see any problems with that?
I do. I don't think it's unethical, or unlawful, as long as you each sit through each other's class, as I'm sure you would -- but I do think it looks kinda sketchy.

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I'm not prepared to sign off on any student who has not gotten a complete, cohesive carry class, which covers everything I cover in mine.

While I think we could learn a ton from each other at such an event, its ad-hoc nature doesn't make for that cohesive whole.

I'd suggest, as an alternative, that instructors pair up with an instructor, and sit through each others' class. That's what I plan to do.

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 Post subject: Orthogonally . . .
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:36 am 
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. . . I've been thinking about doing an instructors-only refresher class, both so folks who want to could get signed off on, and to go over in some detail not just what I do -- and don't do -- in TCCarry, but why I do and don't do it, and why stuff appears where it appears in the presentation.

I don't claim that I have the only way to do things, or the only good way to do things -- but I do think that I do have a good way to do this stuff, and that while some of it is dependent on my own experiences and skillset, some of it, I think, would translate well for others.

I'm not sure about the pricing, but there would be pricing; taking a day off to do this is a day that I can't do other stuff, including teaching a carry class, and while I think, on balance, that if it improves the quality of instruction that's a good thing, part of me is of the opinion that there's some costs to improving my competitors' instruction.

If you're interested, email me, and if there's enough interest -- and I'm talking "interest" not commitments -- I'll figure out if it might be worth doing.

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Being a newer instructor (only having done 3 classes and 30 students) I have been considering attending other more seasoned instructors classes as a student. I am sure it would be worth effort. My biggest obstacle is the distance I must travel. I hope to do this soon. My class has been evolving and getting better every time IMO. I think attending other instructor's classes would be a great help to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Are you signing off on your own renewal?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:07 pm 
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ttousi wrote:
My permit is due for renewal this summer and I would rather not sign off on my own. While it would be within the parameters of the statute (I believe) I think it would be tacky.

We have talked about instructor meetings/seminars in the past which have not happened. I think this would be a perfect opportunity for a seminar/training. See what others are doing and be able to share your expertise.


My Thoughts:
1 day seminar where each instructor would bring whatever materials they would like to share.
Each Instructor would bring 1-2 blank certificates to sign off on another instructor.
The agenda would be 3 part following the statute. (safe use/shooting/legal). A moderator for each segment to ensure discussion moved along and stayed within the subject & time frames.
This would not be new instructor training.........existing MCPPA certified instructors only.

I would offer the following
1.Coordinate event
2. Supply facility (OGC)
3. Cost would be classroom/range fee of 25.00 payable to OGC
4. Seminar date of Sun Apr 20th. I have the facility reserved for a carry class but will switch if enough are interested.

Thoughts ??


I like the idea. I also agree with Andrew. The continuity would not flow as well as a carry class with one lead instructor. I still think it would be worth it to have a MN Carry Permit Instructors Conference. To share ideas, teaching aids, and techniques.


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Some of my classes have been getting a little large lately and thought of getting an instructor to sit in and maybe help with one of my classes, especially on the range. I would have zero problem signing off then, they did go through my class and I could maybe get some help and/or objective criticism. 8)

I do have one instructor volunteer to help with the class that I am going to give to the local conservation club, but that is only one of the 3 that I could use some help with.


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Some of my classes have been getting a little large lately and thought of getting an instructor to sit in and maybe help with one of my classes, especially on the range. I would have zero problem signing off then, they did go through my class and I could maybe get some help and/or objective criticism. 8)
Me, neither. In fact, I've got another instructor doing just that this weekend, both to renew his own permit and to help with the quals.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:24 am 
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Cancel............I withdraw the offer

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 Post subject: Permit sign-off
PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:34 pm 
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I don't sign my own permit renewal nor do I sign-off my wife's permit renewal. It's just my personal ethics and does not affect my opinion of any other Instructor's opinions or actions. I think that it's worth my money to take a renewal class from another instructor as I always learn something new or a different perspective on a subject.

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