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What a great idea! I'm glad you brought it up 'cause I'm sure tired of it

Great reading-- It's been a long night at work-

From the very limited facts (if facts really at all - news articles? facts in this age???) I would say the court/judge/system has it's work to do--

Who are we to judge from a forum just by reading a few articles or even a PD report?

Time will tell when the jury/judge comes up with a verdict and or the guy does plea to a deal.

Just my .02 cents worth for what it's worth-

Thanks!

My only critique (not judgment) of the issue is based on the fact that he used a gun on a fleeing motorist. What was the guy going to do if the driver continued his escape? Shoot the tires and have a bullet bounce and kill a kid? Shoot the driver in the head as he drove by? Shoot the driver through the windshield? Regardless of his legal issues, calling 911 would have been the right move. Permit to Carry 101 in my opinion.

Since none of that happened, public speculation of what he might have done is pointless. Of course each permit holder should privately and thoughtfully consider their responses to various scenarios in advance....

Until further information surfaces to convince me otherwise, I am giving the permit holder the benefit of doubt, as I think we all should.

I agree with the sigman

Unsurprisingly, I disagree.

I'm not, of course, suggesting that the guy ought to be taken out and lynched or beaten up. If, by some bizarre coincidence, I landed on his jury, I would give him a fair hearing -- based on whether or not the evidence presented supported the charges, not whether or not I thought what he did was a good idea or not.

On the other hand, I do think that, by and large (I can think of a very few exceptions), drawing a gun to effect a citizens arrest is a foolish thing to do, and think that's worth discouraging, and -- even under the most generous construction of this that I've seen -- I think it was a foolish thing to do.

That said, yeah, the driver sounds like a jerk.

I agree that "public speculation of what he might have done is pointless".
My point was.... If you pull a gun and point the gun at someone then you are making a commitment at some level to fire the gun. If pointing the gun at someone lacks the commitment to actually firing the gun, then one can argue that the gun should not have been pulled in the first place because the situation didnt warrant that level of force (deadly force).

Regardless, I do hope the guy gets a fair shake... and like you said in your post, each permit holder should privately and thoughtfully consider their responses to various scenarios in advance....

Nope. There are lots of situations where drawing and pointing might be lawful, but firing would not.

Particularly once we get HF 498 passed.

Agreed, it’s called “deterrence”.

I don't think too many of us would have drawn our firearms if we were in his situation, legally or not, but I am still not ready to condemn him. I am also curious as to his training. Is he just so ignorant that he didn't know better?

For cops or for everyone? I would be interested in a scenario.
For deterrence I have always considered, (a) Expose gun (b) low ready (c) point+shoot to be the most conservative path to self-defense. Am I off the mark on this line of thinking?

I can clearly see a point where actually pointing is necessary. I have used it, with out firing, to inform the person that I was "that" close to punching their ticket. In one of our buildings, two punks with a pipe and a knife, stepped out demanding that I "donate" the months rent collections to their personal use. It was not until I lit the one up with the CT grips' laser did he back away. The other had wisely decided(in his own words) "its ain'ts worths this sh**" and had walked out the door.

Likewise a man in a car trying to flee after what you believed/witnessed to be a car/person or car to car incident with injuries WHERE the only escape route would be filled with people. Sometimes getting someones attention means "hey buddy, you move you die..." This is not citizen as cop, this is citizen as intercessor in a violent event .

If this had been a shooting and the citizen arrived at a natural break, lets say the BG shooter was reloading, calling out, "drop the gun or ...." while pointing the gun at the shooter would be completely legit. Shooting the shooter in the midst of a reload MIGHT not go down well, yelling and pointing and letting the shooter/driver decide to give up or get shot is a much more defensible position.



(Do we know for a fact that he actually AIMED the gun at the guy? or did he just present the weapon in such a fashion that he was ready if needed to prevent the guy from leaving?