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 Carrying at work / Convincing my boss 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:54 am 
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As I stated in another thread, I'm a truck driver. There's nothing in the FMCSA rules that says I can't carry in the truck. However, in our company handbook, it specifically states, "No firearms, drugs or alcohol in the truck or on company property" (company VP is owners son and lives in a house on company property and has quite a few guns in a safe on company property).

I do go out of state during the winter months and plan on getting a Utah and Florida Non-resident permits when cash flow allows.

I do get into some pretty 'undesirable parts' of large cities sometimes and we've recently had a couple of our drivers beaten and robbed in truckstops. I just don't want to end up on a coroners table somewhere.

How would you talk to your boss about carrying at work?

I got a pretty good idea on how to approach him about this, but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say before I do.

I plan on talking with my boss next week when I get in.

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Don't forget that you'll out yourself if you bring it up. I wouldn't bring it up unless you think you have a real good chance to change company policy. If they don't change the policy they will be watching you. If you don't bring it up and just carry where it's legal they'll never know unless you have to use it for real and then you have larger problems than just the company...but you're alive to tell the tale!

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How were you planning on bringing it up to him?

The only way I can think of would be "Gee, After Jim and John had those incidents last month, what are we allowed to do currently for defending ourselves, boss? Anything we can change to make us safer? I'm fine with buyin stuff, I just want to be in the clear..."

Keeps it vague, but on-topic, and doesn't "out" you other than interested in your own self-preservation, in a vague "what are my options" way.

Lets you rattle off a list of things, guns 'dropped in' somewhere in there.

Mace, batons, guns, stun guns...


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In these times I wouldn't say a word to them. The nail that sticks out gets hammered on.


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Bring copies of these articles which shows what can happen to armed and unarmed truck drivers:

Trucker Kills Intruder

Family of Slain Truck Driver Pushes for 'Jason's Law'

Slain for $7, truck driver mourned


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Q_Continuum wrote:
How were you planning on bringing it up to him?

The only way I can think of would be "Gee, After Jim and John had those incidents last month, what are we allowed to do currently for defending ourselves, boss? Anything we can change to make us safer? I'm fine with buyin stuff, I just want to be in the clear..."

Keeps it vague, but on-topic, and doesn't "out" you other than interested in your own self-preservation, in a vague "what are my options" way.

Lets you rattle off a list of things, guns 'dropped in' somewhere in there.

Mace, batons, guns, stun guns...

That's basically what I had planned.

A while back, one of the guys I work with let it slip in front of the VP that I had taken the required class, but they don't know I now have my permit.

Lenny, thanks for the links.

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If the VP is a gun owner, there might not be a big issue. However, there might be a clause in their insurance policy that requires them to put that in the employee handbook.
If he is a gun owner, he probably isn't going to care that you own guns. Just beacuse a person owns guns doesn't mean that the person will be carrying all the time.
Maybe you can strike up a conversation about hunting or target shooting. From there you can take it further. If you know he hunts, you could ask how he fared during his last hunt. If you show an interest in his gun related activities, he might continue to talk to you about other gun related activities. Most hunters/ target shooters/ gun collectors love to talk about thier hobby.


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The VP may own guns and still be anti-self defense. He could be a fudd, caring only about the guns he uses for hunting. There are plenty of them around.


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Yeah Sigman, my father-in-law is an avid hunter, but has asked that when we go to their farm I leave my pistol in my car! He believes it isn't needed since they are in a small town. I still haven't decided if I will lock it in my car safe, or just be very discreet.

On the work portion, I am lucky. I work at an auto shop by the capitol. We are in a pretty rough neighborhood, and my boss has no problem with all of us that carry on the job.


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moose77 wrote:
Yeah Sigman, my father-in-law is an avid hunter, but has asked that when we go to their farm I leave my pistol in my car! He believes it isn't needed since they are in a small town. I still haven't decided if I will lock it in my car safe, or just be very discreet.

On the work portion, I am lucky. I work at an auto shop by the capitol. We are in a pretty rough neighborhood, and my boss has no problem with all of us that carry on the job.


That is a reason for me to not visit my in-laws.

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For me, all of my bosses, and most of my co-workers would be pro-carry. But I work for a large company, 20,000+, world wide. To try to make a change would be very difficult. HQ lays down the rules, for the company as a whole on this subject, zero tolerance.

But I would imagine a small ma and pop business could be a little easier to bring up the subject. Or you might know right off the get-go.

It does bug me a bit though, the company rules. Those with a permit to carry are the least of their worries. Our records are clean, and we have no desire to do anything that would change that.

But yeah, I suppose they have, public image, insurance and legal issues to worry about.


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moose77 wrote:
Yeah Sigman, my father-in-law is an avid hunter, but has asked that when we go to their farm I leave my pistol in my car! He believes it isn't needed since they are in a small town. I still haven't decided if I will lock it in my car safe, or just be very discreet.


Point him at mnhomeinvasionwatch.com and tell him to check out all of the small town home invasions.

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