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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:02 pm 
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From GOA: Earlier today, Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS) offered an amendment to the 2010 Transportation-Housing & Urban Development Appropriations bill. Sen. Wicker’s amendment will allow law-abiding gun owners to safely and legally transport firearms when they travel on Amtrak. A nearly identical amendment, also offered by Sen. Wicker, passed the Senate in April by a vote of 63-35. Current Amtrak regulations prohibit firearms in both checked and carry-on baggage. Sportsmen who wish to use an Amtrak train for a hunting trip, therefore, cannot include a shotgun even in their checked luggage. Likewise, travelers who have a permit to carry a concealed firearm cannot include a self-defense firearm in their checked luggage, even if they are allowed to carry in both the states of origin and destination. But if such travelers were to take the trip by air, they could check a gun onto the aircraft by simply declaring the firearm and transporting it in a prescribed manner… Please urge your Senators to vote for the Wicker amendment to protect the rights of gun owners. This vote could occur as early as Wednesday afternoon… (The second link will generate an e-mail to your senators.)

http://gunowners.org/a091509.htm
http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/aler ... ake+Action

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Amendment adopted by the Senate. Cut off their MONEY.
Treats Amtrak just like the airlines.

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SA 2366. Mr. WICKER submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 3288, making appropriations for the Departments of Transportation, and Housing and Urban Development, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

At the appropriate place, insert the following:

Sec. __. (a) Funding Limitation.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, amounts made available in this Act for the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) shall immediately cease to be available if Amtrak prohibits the secure transportation of firearms on passenger trains.

(b) Definition.--In this section, the term ``secure transportation of firearms'' means--

(1) if an Amtrak station accepts checked baggage for a specific Amtrak route, Amtrak passengers holding a ticket for such route are allowed to place an unloaded firearm or starter pistol in a checked bag on such route if--

(A) before checking the bag or boarding the train, the passenger declares to Amtrak, either orally or in writing, that the firearm is in his or her bag and is unloaded;

(B) the firearm is carried in a hard-sided container;

(C) such container is locked; and

(D) only the passenger has the key or combination for such container; and

(2) Amtrak passengers are allowed to place small arms ammunition for personal use in a checked bag on an Amtrak route if the ammunition is securely packed--

(A) in fiber, wood, or metal boxes; or

(B) in other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

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Senate passes measure to allow gun transport on Amtrak

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By Evan Glass


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Amtrak would lose its federal subsidies if it doesn't put a system in place by early next year to check and track firearms so that passengers can legally put the weapons in their checked baggage, the Senate voted Wednesday.

One senator says the measure "is going to put a severe burden" on Amtrak.

The measure, an amendment to the transportation and housing appropriations bill, passed 68-30.

The House version of the bill, passed in July, does not include the provision, so further steps would be needed for it to reach President Obama's desk.

Amtrak's current policy prohibits passengers from carrying "any type of gun, firearm, ammunition, explosives or weapon" in carry-on or checked baggage.

Amtrak spokesman Steve Kulm said firearms had been allowed in checked baggage before the September 11 attacks.

However, despite the policy change, the company has no uniform system of screening for firearms, Amtrak Chairman Thomas Carper noted in a letter to Sens. Patty Murray and Christopher Bond decrying Wednesday's congressional mandate. They are the top Democrat and Republican, respectively, on the Appropriations Committee's transportation subcommittee.

"Unlike the airline industry, Amtrak has no system in place for a uniform system of screening for weapons," Carper wrote. The railroad has no secure loading areas, and trains make multiple stops, he said. Employees also would need intensive training.

Further, he said, the National Railroad Passenger Corp. (Amtrak) has neither the money nor the time to meet the Senate's timetable to put such a system in place.

Carper warned that if Amtrak were to lose federal funds, it would result in the "cessation of all Amtrak service nationwide."

According to its Web site, Amtrak has in place "a range of behind-the-scenes and front-line security measures" that include random passenger and carry-on baggage screening; checked baggage screening; K-9 units; onboard security checks; and identification checks.

"As part of our security strategy, randomly selected passengers and their baggage, handbags, backpacks or other personal items may be screened or inspected," it says.

"Passengers failing to consent to security procedures will be denied access to trains and refused carriage, and a refund will be offered."

The gun measure was sponsored by Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Mississippi.

He introduced the same legislation in August as part of the budget resolution, and it was approved with bipartisan support, but the provision was removed during final House-Senate negotiations.

"Under current practices, all of the American domestic airlines permit firearms in their checked luggage. Other American passenger railroads also allow checked firearms," Wicker said on the Senate floor Wednesday.

"Only the federally subsidized Amtrak prohibits law-abiding American citizens from exercising their Second Amendment rights in checked baggage," he said.

Murray opposed the legislation.

"In order to receive any federal funding under this amendment, Amtrak would have six months to build a process for checking and tracking firearms," she said.

"It would have to find the manpower necessary to screen and guard firearms, and it would have to purchase the equipment necessary. Now there is nothing in the underlying appropriations to pay for any of that. So this amendment is going to put a severe burden on them and if they do not comply, Amtrak will shut down."

The measure lays out the following guidelines:

• Before checking the bag or boarding the train, the passenger must declare that the firearm or pistol is in his or her bag and is unloaded.

• The firearm or pistol must be carried in a hard-sided container.

• The hard-sided container must be locked, and only the passenger has the combination or key.

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Amtrak should just go back to their pre-911 policy and allow people to carry guns in checked baggage. I did it with no problems.

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It's cool it passed. i don't know anything about it but I suddenly feel powerful. Something progun actually passed a Dem Senate.


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Dick Unger wrote:
Something progun actually passed a Dem Senate.

What was the other thing we got through? Nat'l Park Carry?

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DeanC wrote:
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Senate passes measure to allow gun transport on Amtrak


By Evan Glass

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"Unlike the airline industry, Amtrak has no system in place for a uniform system of screening for weapons," Carper wrote. The railroad has no secure loading areas, and trains make multiple stops, he said. Employees also would need intensive training.

Further, he said, the National Railroad Passenger Corp. (Amtrak) has neither the money nor the time to meet the Senate's timetable to put such a system in place.
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WTF!!?? No system in place to screen? Who cares. This bill is making it legal for law-abiding passengers to CLAIM and CHECK firearms. i.e. They will be announcing it and giving them the weapons. No system of screening is needed! Screening would be fore catching people bringing things along covertly, which OBVIOUSLY could be happening today and would not change in the future even with the new rules. Damn, I really hate it when stupid people pull things out of their ass to try to make their point. Ugh. Makes me want to beat something.

Also, "employees would need intensive training"?? What, did they do away with everyone who worked there before 2001?

Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh...

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DeanC wrote:
Dick Unger wrote:
Something progun actually passed a Dem Senate.

What was the other thing we got through? Nat'l Park Carry?


Forgot that. National Carry didn't make it, right? Ironic if we get more from the Dems than the Reps. Of course, the Dems just need us to shut up, the Reps want money I think.


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DeanC wrote:
Dick Unger wrote:
Something progun actually passed a Dem Senate.

What was the other thing we got through? Nat'l Park Carry?

Yeah, but the bill for allowing truck drivers with carry permits to carry nationwide got shot down. Which sucks by the way....... :evil: Truck drivers get sent into some pretty 'undesirable areas' sometimes.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 15 @ 09:32:08 CDT by Admin

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Truckers hauling high-dollar loads often find themselves targets for thieves looking to make a quick buck by robbing drivers of their possessions, freight and – in some tragic cases – their lives.

However, some thieves may think twice before approaching a truck if they know the driver might be armed.

This is why the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association sent out a national Call to Action on Tuesday, July 14, to its members, urging them to contact their senators to support an amendment that is being offered by Sen. John Thune, R-SD. Thune’s amendment would allow individuals who have concealed carry permits to carry a firearm in other states that also grant concealed carry permits.

Thune’s amendment was one of 35 that was added to the National Defense Authorization Act – or S1390 – which was being debated on the Senate floor on Tuesday.

In June, OOIDA President Jim Johnston sent a letter of support to Thune, who introduced S845, the “Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009,” because of its potential benefit to truckers who are in harm’s way daily.

“Every day the nationwide shortage of safe and secure truck parking threatens the well being of Americans who make their living behind the wheel of commercial motor vehicles,” Johnston wrote. “Drivers who are forced to park in unsafe, unsecure areas are vulnerable to individuals seeking to do them harm, rob them of their possessions and steal the freight they are hauling.”

OOIDA Life Member Tim Begle of Dale, IN, who carries a gun with him when out on the road, said he agrees with Johnston’s statement that Thune’s amendment, if enacted, would go a long way toward helping truckers protect themselves.

“As drivers, we go into some pretty unsecure locations in some of the warehousing and industrial areas that aren’t great places for truckers to be in at night, but are great places for crooks waiting to prey on truckers,” Begle told Land Line on July 14. “I have spoken to many drivers who have even been robbed at truck stops.”

Just showing his weapon to potential thieves has saved him at least twice, Begle said.

“This is an important issue for drivers,” he said. “If a thief knows a driver may be armed, it might be a deterrent for the thief not to take any chances and mess with a driver or his truck.”
– By Clarissa Kell-Holland, staff writer
Courtesy of LandLine Magazine
http://www.truckstopusa.com/modules.php ... e&sid=3615

More on this bill.........
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-845

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National Carry didn't make it, right?

No, it did make it: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greensp ... parks.html

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