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Author: | rimshot [ Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
Just heard from someone that gunracks are now legal in MN. I can harldy believe that, I tried looking through the gun laws but all i could come up with is the sept. 1999 manual, and the 2003 carry laws. Has anyone else heard this? From what i could understand you can have a gun(s) in your gun rack uncased and unloaded in your back window, but that is just a rumor that someone heard from somone else so what I heard is 4th or 5th hand and thats why i am having a hard time believing that. |
Author: | Pakrat [ Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
I think that was the BILL they dangled in front of us, yanked it and then made it harder to transport firearms in the 7 county metro. If I recall correctly. |
Author: | DeanC [ Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
The current version of the law does not seem to be on-line yet. When it is, it should be here. Currently the 2008 version is still up. The 2009 MN Hunting regulations read as follows: Quote: A person may not transport a firearm, including a handgun, in or on a motor vehicle unless the firearm is: • unloaded* and cased; • unloaded* and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or • carried under a valid permit to carry a pistol or handgun. Under the following circumstances, a person may transport unloaded, uncased firearms (excluding pistols) in a motor vehicle, including ATVs: • while at a shooting range with permission • while lawfully hunting on private or public land or while traveling to or from a site the person intends to hunt or has lawfully hunted that day. Firearms must be transported unloaded and cased: • within Anoka, Hennepin, or Ramsey counties. • within an area where firearms discharge has been prohibited. • within the boundaries of a home rule, charter, or statutory city with a population of 2,500 or more. • on school grounds • as otherwise restricted in game refuges, shining or night vision laws. * An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm. A muzzle-loading firearm with a flintlock ignition is unloaded if it does not have priming powder in a pan. A muzzle-loading firearm with percussion ignition is unloaded if it does not have a percussion cap on a nipple. So, I guess you could put your uncased gun in a window rack in the back of your pickup truck, but there are numerous reasons you wouldn't want to do that unless you were just a lazy sporting clays shooter driving from shooting station to shooting station. If you want further clarification or advice, I suggest you contact one of these guys: Rep.David.Dill@house.mn, Rep.Tony.Cornish@house.mn, Rep.Marty.Seifert@house.mn. |
Author: | DeanC [ Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
Here is the new statute: Quote: 97B.045 TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS. Subdivision 1.Restrictions. A person may not transport a firearm in a motor vehicle unless the firearm is: (1) unloaded and in a gun case expressly made to contain a firearm, and the case fully encloses the firearm by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened, and without any portion of the firearm exposed; (2) unloaded and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or (3) a handgun carried in compliance with sections 624.714 and 624.715. Subd. 2.Exception for disabled persons. The restrictions in subdivision 1 do not apply to a disabled person if: (1) the person possesses a permit under section 97B.055, subdivision 3; and (2) the firearm is not loaded in the chamber until the vehicle is stationary, or is a hinge action firearm with the action open until the vehicle is stationary. Subd. 3.Exceptions; hunting and shooting ranges. (a) Notwithstanding provisions to the contrary under this chapter, a person may transport an unloaded, uncased firearm, excluding a pistol as defined in paragraph (b), in a motor vehicle while at a shooting range, as defined under section 87A.01, subdivision 3, where the person has received permission from the lawful owner or possessor to discharge firearms; lawfully hunting on private or public land; or travelling to or from a site the person intends to hunt lawfully that day or has hunted lawfully that day, unless: (1) within Anoka, Hennepin, or Ramsey County; (2) within an area where the discharge of a firearm has been prohibited under section 471.633; (3) within the boundaries of a home rule charter or statutory city with a population of 2,500 or more; (4) on school grounds; or (5) otherwise restricted under section 97A.091, 97B.081, or 97B.086. (b) For the purposes of this section, a "pistol" includes a weapon designed to be fired by the use of a single hand and with an overall length less than 26 inches, or having a barrel or barrels of a length less than 18 inches in the case of a shotgun or having a barrel of a length less than 16 inches in the case of a rifle: (1) from which may be fired or ejected one or more solid projectiles by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances; or (2) for which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, air or other gas, or vapor. Pistol does not include a device firing or ejecting a shot measuring .18 of an inch, or less, in diameter and commonly known as a "BB gun," a scuba gun, a stud gun or nail gun used in the construction industry, or children's pop guns or toys. |
Author: | mrokern [ Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
DeanC wrote: The current version of the law does not seem to be on-line yet. When it is, it should be here. Currently the 2008 version is still up. The 2009 MN Hunting regulations read as follows: Quote: A person may not transport a firearm, including a handgun, in or on a motor vehicle unless the firearm is: • unloaded* and cased; • unloaded* and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or • carried under a valid permit to carry a pistol or handgun. Under the following circumstances, a person may transport unloaded, uncased firearms (excluding pistols) in a motor vehicle, including ATVs: • while at a shooting range with permission • while lawfully hunting on private or public land or while traveling to or from a site the person intends to hunt or has lawfully hunted that day. Firearms must be transported unloaded and cased: • within Anoka, Hennepin, or Ramsey counties. • within an area where firearms discharge has been prohibited. • within the boundaries of a home rule, charter, or statutory city with a population of 2,500 or more. • on school grounds • as otherwise restricted in game refuges, shining or night vision laws. * An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm. A muzzle-loading firearm with a flintlock ignition is unloaded if it does not have priming powder in a pan. A muzzle-loading firearm with percussion ignition is unloaded if it does not have a percussion cap on a nipple. So, I guess you could put your uncased gun in a window rack in the back of your pickup truck, but there are numerous reasons you wouldn't want to do that unless you were just a lazy sporting clays shooter driving from shooting station to shooting station. If you want further clarification or advice, I suggest you contact one of these guys: Rep.David.Dill@house.mn, Rep.Tony.Cornish@house.mn, Rep.Marty.Seifert@house.mn. You could also ask the NRA. I'm sure our local rep would be happy to explain just how this law screws....I mean helps...HELPS us. (cough cough gag gag) |
Author: | 72_chev_truck [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
DeanC wrote: * An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm. Glad I read that again, I thought for a second that loaded magazines were considered loaded guns... If I keep loaded mags in my gun case but out of my rifle am I legal? |
Author: | joelr [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
72_chev_truck wrote: DeanC wrote: * An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm. Glad I read that again, I thought for a second that loaded magazines were considered loaded guns... If I keep loaded mags in my gun case but out of my rifle am I legal? |
Author: | 72_chev_truck [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
joelr wrote: 72_chev_truck wrote: DeanC wrote: * An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm. Glad I read that again, I thought for a second that loaded magazines were considered loaded guns... If I keep loaded mags in my gun case but out of my rifle am I legal? Let me rephrase that, Having my loaded magazines inside the gun case with my rifle inside my gun case. |
Author: | JimC [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
Maybe this law will create more permit holders?? |
Author: | Q_Continuum [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
JimC wrote: Maybe this law will create more permit holders?? "Hunters - get your permit today, to make it easier to comply with the new, confusing hunting regulations! SPECIAL BONUS - you can carry a pistol when not hunting!" |
Author: | DeanC [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet. |
Author: | joelr [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
DeanC wrote: Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet. Yup. It should be otherwise -- the simple alternative to Chris Rager's bizarre "uncased and unloaded" bill would have been to put an exception in all the state carrying/transportation laws for people with carry permits, and maybe add, "and we really mean it!" -- but it isn't. |
Author: | Q_Continuum [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
DeanC wrote: Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet. True, I sometimes forget about the DNR's thinking that they are the absolute. *sigh* Just because someone is in possession of a firearm, doesn't mean they're going hunting or poaching. (I've never done either. All I've ever shot were tree branches, pop cans, water jugs, paper and expired fruit and vegetables - the last work great as a demonstration of hollow points, and caliber considerations) |
Author: | Lenny7 [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
I posted a Strib article here: http://www.twincitiescarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=14188 |
Author: | JimC [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? |
Now wait- others said with a permit you can carry a long gun. DeanC wrote: Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet. |
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