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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:54 pm 
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My email update from the DNR today.

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) is making major
changes to simplify deer seasons and licensing for this fall, according
to Lou Cornicelli, DNR big game program coordinator.

The changes include allowing a person to individually purchase licenses
for regular firearms, muzzleloader and archery in any combination;
consolidating deer zones so that licensed firearms hunters can hunt
anywhere in the state; simplifying legal big game rifle calibers to
allow any center-fire that is at least .220 caliber; and eliminating the
need to validate the license when tagging an animal.

The changes are the result of recommendations of a citizens’ work
group convened by the DNR to recommend simplification of the deer
seasons. During late 2007, DNR organized a group of stakeholders to
provide recommendations to the DNR on how to streamline hunting while
not compromising the ability to manage deer. The team ultimately settled
on four primary recommendations, which were brought to the public and
the Minnesota Legislature for consideration. The group’s
recommendations were the subject of 12 public meetings held around the
state last spring. Legislative and rule changes made since that time
will allow for implementation of the recommendations this fall.

“Minnesota previously had more license types and options for deer
than any other Midwestern state, so the need for simplification was
apparent,” Cornicelli said.

DEER LICENSES

Hunters can now buy an archery, firearm and muzzleloader license
individually, or in any combination. Previously, a person who wanted to
hunt deer in both the regular firearms and muzzleloader seasons had to
buy the more expensive all-season license, valid for regular firearms,
muzzleloader and archery.

“We found that the vast majority of all-season license purchasers
were paying three times the single season license fee ($78), but were
only hunting in two seasons,” Cornicelli said.

This year, the system will be “a la carte,” meaning that hunters
can purchase licenses for only the seasons they want to hunt. Hunters
are advised by the DNR to know the bag limits in the area they hunt.
Even though hunters can buy three licenses, the general bag limit for
deer is one in lottery areas, two in managed areas, and five in
intensive areas (with some exceptions, such as early antlerless
seasons).

ZONE CONSOLIDATION

The traditional firearm zone licenses (1A, 2A, 3A, 3B, 4A, 4B) have
been consolidated into two licenses types: A statewide Season Option
“A” and a Zone 3B (southeast Minnesota) season option “B”.
With the new system, hunters are no longer limited to a particular zone
boundary, but must adhere to the different open season dates in permit
areas within the zone. Zone 4 has also been eliminated and merged with
the Zone 2 nine-day season. A number of deer permit areas formerly in
Zone 4 will be renumbered.

Season “A” licenses are valid statewide in all “A” season areas
(Zones 1A, 2A, 3A), which opens Nov. 8. For example, by purchasing a
statewide “A” season license, a hunter could hunt an area in 3A
(seven-day season) opening weekend, move to an area in 2A (nine-day
season) the second weekend and finish up the season in 1A (16-day
season) on the third weekend.

In contrast, season “B” licenses are valid only during the Zone 3B
season (Nov. 22-30) in southeastern Minnesota. A regular firearm deer
hunter may purchase either an “A” or “B” season license, but not
both. However, anyone (including 3B hunters) can now buy a muzzleloader
license. Both license types will be valid in the Twin Cities metro area,
bovine TB area, and all early antlerless permit areas.

Lottery applications, muzzleloader hunters

In some areas of Minnesota, the deer population is below the goal so
antlerless permits have been reduced to very low levels. With the past
popularity of multiple zone licenses, the percentage of antlerless
harvest taken in the muzzleloader season has gone up dramatically. With
the new licensing system, lottery area hunters who purchase both a
regular firearms and muzzleloader license will need to apply for a
limited number of antlerless permits that will be valid for taking an
antlerless deer in either the regular firearms or muzzleloader season.

The number of muzzleloader-only hunters is low, so those who do not
purchase a regular firearms license can take deer of either sex in
lottery areas without an antlerless permit.

People who buy licenses for both the firearm and muzzleloader seasons
will need to apply in the lottery if they want to take an antlerless
deer in a lottery area. If successful, the permit will be valid for
either the firearm or muzzleloader season, provided the hunter has a
license for that season.

People who only muzzleloader hunt (no regular firearms license) may
take deer of either sex without applying in the lottery. Final details
will be released when the hunting regulations book comes out in early
August.

LEGAL CALIBERS

For 2008, the definition of legal calibers has been simplified to .220
centerfire or larger. Previously, the regulation had a larger minimum,
minimum case length, and numerous exceptions. The new regulation is
consistent with most of the midwestern states that allow centerfire
rifles.

“We understand there is a concern that hunters could use a type that
is not suitable for taking deer,” Cornicelli said. “But we are
confident that hunters can make an informed choice in regard to caliber
and bullet selection, and that they’ll use a bullet that is
appropriate for the big game they are pursuing. There is no substitute
for knowing the capabilities of a firearm and practicing,” Cornicelli
said.

LICENSE VALIDATION

The regulation requiring hunters to validate their deer license has
been eliminated. However, the tag must still be validated and site
tagging regulations have not changed, so hunters should familiarize
themselves with those regulations when the regulations handbook arrives
in stores.



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Wait a sec...did a government agency just simplify a bunch of red tape? :shock:

Cool.

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One of the topics brought up a yr ago by the Deputy commish was simplifying the rules and regs. Looks like she is making progress.
Thanks Laurie M. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:16 am 
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Ramoel wrote:
LEGAL CALIBERS

For 2008, the definition of legal calibers has been simplified to .220
centerfire or larger. Previously, the regulation had a larger minimum,
minimum case length, and numerous exceptions. The new regulation is
consistent with most of the midwestern states that allow centerfire
rifles.

“We understand there is a concern that hunters could use a type that
is not suitable for taking deer,” Cornicelli said. “But we are
confident that hunters can make an informed choice in regard to caliber
and bullet selection, and that they’ll use a bullet that is
appropriate for the big game they are pursuing. There is no substitute
for knowing the capabilities of a firearm and practicing,” Cornicelli
said.



This doesn't differentiate between handgun and rifle calibers, so I'm assuming its all inclusive? That means I can carry my .40S&W handgun?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:33 am 
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Blackriv73 wrote:
This doesn't differentiate between handgun and rifle calibers, so I'm assuming its all inclusive? That means I can carry my .40S&W handgun?


Yup. Or .32ACP, for that matter. It's be wrong and cruel, but not illegal.

Here's the new law, not yet added into the statutes pages:

https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin ... ssion=ls85

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A read the original study they did on how the laws should be changed. And it looks like the DNR accepted the recommendations of that study wholesale.

I applaud this move, as most of the changes are vast improvements. I especially like the move to a 9 day season for zone 4. Previously you had to pick either the first or second weekend.

Which only two days of hunting, there were alot of people that by Sunday were shooting any damn deer that came along, regardless of size, just because they were running out of time.

In fact I even caught heat from some members of my hunting party because I let a small buck go by my on Sunday. My explanation of too small, I'll shoot him in a few years, apparently wasn't good enough to guys that didn't have much venison hanging.


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Blackriv73 wrote:
Ramoel wrote:
LEGAL CALIBERS

For 2008, the definition of legal calibers has been simplified to .220
centerfire or larger. Previously, the regulation had a larger minimum,
minimum case length, and numerous exceptions. The new regulation is
consistent with most of the midwestern states that allow centerfire rifles.


This doesn't differentiate between handgun and rifle calibers, so I'm assuming its all inclusive? That means I can carry my .40S&W handgun?


Be carefull on this. The last sentence is rifle, so I don't think they mean a 32 acp is legal, but as always I could be wrong on this. They may clarify the differnce between a straight wall pistol case and a legal deer cartridge, maybe not, we will see.


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I know this has been discussed at length in the past, but every time I see an update on DNR regulations I end up very disappointed that I am still not permitted to carry while bow-hunting for deer. My hunting area has also been referred to as the "meth capital of the world" and just my luck to stumble onto someone's camp unarmed. ... not to mention the wolves and bears that I consistently spook because of my unbelievable stealth and scent cover! 8)

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ronin069 wrote:
I know this has been discussed at length in the past, but everytime I see an update on DNR regulations I end up very disapointed that I am still not permitted to carry while bow-hunting for deer. My hunting area has also been refered to as the "meth capital of the world" and just my luck to stumble onto someone's camp armed unarmed. ... not to mention the wolves and bears that I consistently spook because of my unbelievable stealth and scent cover! 8)


I didn't know we couldn't carry while bow-hunting. I've bow hunted for several years but am new to carry so I've never paid attention to that particular law. This surprises me a little.

Sneaking up on bears I can see. I've done it before (by accident). Wolves though? I've never heard of anyone on the move beating wolves to the punch. They have God-like situational awareness.

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Be carefull on this. The last sentence is rifle, so I don't think they mean a 32 acp is legal, but as always I could be wrong on this. They may clarify the differnce between a straight wall pistol case and a legal deer cartridge, maybe not, we will see.


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http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hinfo/ ... toryid=841

Firearms and ammunition that may be used to take big game.
Amends § 97B.031, subdivision 1.
Simplifies the types of ammunition that may be used to take big game.

The emphasis on the term "rifle" in the MN DNR News bite has nothing to do with the amending of the previous 97B.031,subdivision 1.

"The new regulation is
consistent with most of the midwestern states that allow centerfire rifles."

It is used to help those less informed with what everyone in other states are governed by within their home state.


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cobb wrote:
Blackriv73 wrote:
Ramoel wrote:
LEGAL CALIBERS

For 2008, the definition of legal calibers has been simplified to .220
centerfire or larger. Previously, the regulation had a larger minimum,
minimum case length, and numerous exceptions. The new regulation is
consistent with most of the midwestern states that allow centerfire rifles.


This doesn't differentiate between handgun and rifle calibers, so I'm assuming its all inclusive? That means I can carry my .40S&W handgun?


Be carefull on this. The last sentence is rifle, so I don't think they mean a 32 acp is legal, but as always I could be wrong on this. They may clarify the differnce between a straight wall pistol case and a legal deer cartridge, maybe not, we will see.






There is NOTHING in the 2008 Hunting Regulations that mentions "Rifles"!!!

Here is what is said right out of the 2008 Hunting Regulations!

LEGAL FIREARMS FOR BIG GAME
• It is at least .220 caliber and has center fire ignition;
• It is loaded only with single projectile ammunition;
• The projectile used has a soft point or is an expanding bullet type;*
• The muzzleloader (long gun or handgun) used cannot be loaded at
the breech (muzzleloading revolvers are not legal for taking big game);
• The smooth-bore muzzleloader used is at least .45 caliber and
• The rifled muzzleloader used is at least .40 caliber;
• Muzzleloaders with scopes are legal during the regular firearms deer
seasons, but are not allowed during the muzzleloader season except by
special permit for hunters with a medically certified visual impairment.
Applications are available from the DNR Info Center, see page 125.
Toll-free: (888) 646-6367 is the number to call and ask a DNR Info specialist.


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Park Rapids Mike wrote:
Toll-free: (888) 646-6367 is the number to call and ask a DNR Info specialist.

And they have been wrong also about their own laws. I went round and round with them on the use of pheasant hens and dog training that they where wrong about. I had to provide contacts between the field officers, the specialist and a Captain in DNR enforcement get the specialist's information corrected.

Park Rapids Mike wrote:
There is NOTHING in the 2008 Hunting Regulations that mentions "Rifles"!!!


So I thought I was just giving heads up on a maybe, but I guess I will just stand as wrong and now corrected.


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This is going to get interesting, with the heightened interest of new calibers allowed. I am a moderator at a high traffic hunting and fishing forum, and I remember the fireworks after a local guy caught an out of season muskellunge, while ice fishing at Lake Minnetonka this last winter.The DNR website was not updated till way later in the year,and quite a few folks were not aware of the regulation change of the muskie season closing on Dec. 1. That is no excuse to take gamefish out of season,but the DNR web folks could have done a better job of communicating the change through updating the website in a more timely manner.The scenario with the legal caliber issue will probably end up the same way- messed up because of lack of communication by the DNR.


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I received a reply at the other forum from Lou Cornicelli,DNR Big Game Specialist. He posted that the new revised statute allows for all centerfire catridges larger than .220. So, it is legal to hunt deer with your .45 ACP,.40 S&W, or even 9mm. I don't recommend doing that,IMHO. Cornicelli also replies that if using these self protection calibers results in too many wounded deer versus good, clean kills, the statute will be amended again. and probably back to the old restrictions. His point with the whole issue is that most reasonable deer hunters will make the right decision of which caliber to use to take a whitetail deer.


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