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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:25 pm 
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I just figure why deal with it?

But I guess we need to operate on a higher plane than they might.
Well, that and the fact that an attempt by the CSM crowd to disrupt the meeting would end up being very bad publicity for them, if properly handled.

I don't think they're likely to (metaphorically) smash their solar plexuses into our elbows in that sort of way.

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It should be a good turn out and everyone should learn something. I'm looking forward to the meeting. :)

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My take on this, Joel, is that we can't be seen as just a bunch of fat, middle aged white guys (even though that's just exactly what I am), with chips on their shoulders. We need more younger folks, women, and people of color, and get these people up front where they can be seen. Pink Pistols is a good start, but there's so much more we can do locally.

That said, we also need more Democrats and centrists, and not just the right wing Republicans. Gun owners span the spectrum, and the second amendment belongs to everyone.


As a 24 year old Asian grad student who is politically independent I think I can help you guys out :)

In reality it should not matter if you really are a fat middle aged white guy as long as you are polite and are complying with the law but unfortunately people cling to stereotypes. I enjoy breaking them. As you said, gun owners span the spectrum and the 2A is for all. Many people are amazed that I am so passionate about my firearms rights, and it's probably because I am basically the polar opposite (aside from being male) of the stereotypical gun owner. I do not have a carry permit yet but I am strongly considering obtaining one. I personally have mixed feelings about open carry myself but I will defend your right to carry in that manner if you wish, as you pose no harm to others and it is your legal right to do so. I personally thought OC was stupid because it just made you a target and it scares everyone around you- until I came to this site. I am quickly changing my mind on the subject and I am very interested in learning more.

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Welcome to the forum singhcr, enjoy.

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chunkstyle wrote:
My take on this, Joel, is that we can't be seen as just a bunch of fat, middle aged white guys (even though that's just exactly what I am), with chips on their shoulders. We need more younger folks, women, and people of color, and get these people up front where they can be seen. Pink Pistols is a good start, but there's so much more we can do locally.

That said, we also need more Democrats and centrists, and not just the right wing Republicans. Gun owners span the spectrum, and the second amendment belongs to everyone.


As a 24 year old Asian grad student who is politically independent I think I can help you guys out :)

In reality it should not matter if you really are a fat middle aged white guy as long as you are polite and are complying with the law but unfortunately people cling to stereotypes. I enjoy breaking them. As you said, gun owners span the spectrum and the 2A is for all. Many people are amazed that I am so passionate about my firearms rights, and it's probably because I am basically the polar opposite (aside from being male) of the stereotypical gun owner. I do not have a carry permit yet but I am strongly considering obtaining one. I personally have mixed feelings about open carry myself but I will defend your right to carry in that manner if you wish, as you pose no harm to others and it is your legal right to do so. I personally thought OC was stupid because it just made you a target and it scares everyone around you- until I came to this site. I am quickly changing my mind on the subject and I am very interested in learning more.

Chris
Cool; welcome aboard.

And, yup, I'm not knocking folks who happen to be soft, middle-aged white guys -- being all of those; there's only one that I can do anything about, even if I want to -- but I think that the more visible non-stereotypical permit holders there are, the better.

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Thank you for the welcomes.

I hope to meet you all in person some time soon. Have you heard of Surplusrifle.com? There is a small group of local members from MN and WI who get together to shoot every 3 months or so. We'd love to have you come to our meetings and shoot with us and I know they'd like to come to the "Big Thing" meetings as well. Surplus firearms are my game, I bought a surplus West German police issued Sig P6/P225 recently for potential carry purposes. Many people I know carry CZ-82's or surplus TT-33's, the Soviet 1911 clone that was the standard sidearm issued in WWII. 9mm and .45 are fun to shoot but the 7.62x25 Tokarev round is really in its own class.


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Yup, I'm here too, left of center guy.

My greatest concern for my lawmaker is the legal aspects of self defense. I understand the importance of being a reluctant participant and conflict avoidance. I have zero interest in hurting someone, no matter how awful a person they might be. They are still a fellow human and I would only act if there was no other choice.

I been in a self defense situation in the past, I've made the choice, I steadied myself with resolve to carry out my defense. It sucked, no one should need to make that choice. But the threat changed his mind and I was able to wait for the police to arrive.

Why should someone with a clean record, holds a permit, and acted in self-defense need to go through the same criminal process as the attacker?

Then if you clear the criminal process why should you be allowed to be brought to civil court when you have been cleared of criminal wrong doing?

Seems to me the law is on the side of the attacker.

Anyways, as one of this groups lefties, this is what I would ask my lawmaker.


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Then if you clear the criminal process why should you be allowed to be brought to civil court when you have been cleared of criminal wrong doing?


Not in Minnesota. Minn. Stat. sec. 611A.08 protects you from a civil lawsuit.


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See, that's the kind of information I was looking for.

Thank you kind sir.


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Well, I AM a white middle aged fat guy, but my political orientation is "disillusioned libertarian." I tend now to lean towards the Repub side ONLY because the alternative is worse.. REMEMBER: Once the U.S. goes full socialist, we are out of planet.. Unless someone is selling condos in Antarctica.

That said, I will be happy to stand next to a liberal Dem, or a "Law-N-Order" righty on the range provided that they respect the rules of the range, and decide to have a good time shooting. "Da Rulez" of safe gun handling are sacrosanct.. On all else, we can agree to disagree.. Even vociferously


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I've been asked a fair amount as to what this is all about. Let's talk about it.

There's a fair amount of urgent stuff to do over the next several years. For the next two years, at least, there's a lot of fingers that need to be in dikes; Joe Olson has written persuasively on that -- and, in my strongly-held opinion, he's right. (I'm more hopeful about help from the Pawlenty administration than he is -- but do remember that he's been doing this stuff for more than a quarter of a century, and it's quite possible that I'm being too optimistic.)

There's lots that we can do to work on that -- talking to our own State reps and senators in useful ways and at appropriate -- not always quiet or loud -- volumes and quantities. (Those folks who remember the writing/emailing/calling campaign during the repassage of the Personal Protection Act in 2005 will know what I'm talking about.)

There was a time when I would have thought that the best way to do that sort of thing would have been through GOCRA/CCRN -- the oldest and most effective Minnesota-specific gun rights group -- but that time has gone.

Why? Well, there's lots of reasons -- but maybe the most important is, well, fun . . . or, more accurately, the lack of fun. CCRN meetings and activities used to be large and fun to do; they're not, for all but the dozen-at-best stalwarts who soldier on there, month after month. Attendance has dropped off, well, dramatically, and while I'm tempted to engage in some fingerpointing over that, I'm not sure how that would be useful.

We've got a lot to do, and if we don't make it fun, a lot of it won't get done. So I'm for fun.

And there's lots of fun things to do. Many of us have been having fun through Forum-related activities, whether it's the TCC breakfasts or less formal get-togethers (not that the breakfasts are formal). A couple of guys have been -- without anybody having pushed them to -- taking a lot of new folks shooting for the first time.

The implications of that are obvious, and cool -- more people should be doing that, and there's ways to do it well. Some have been doing more obvious political activism -- talking to the DNR about signage, the way Andrew has; working with various politicians on various things (pardon me being elliptical about that right now; we'll talk about it on December 16th); opening dialogue with various sheriffs and state government officials -- ditto; helping to educate the non-self-defense gun community in various ways, particularly the press. (Yes, many reporters would like to do a better job than they do.)

And then there's the remarkably large instructor community that's been networking through the Forum and around it (remind me to tell you about the first time I ever got a call from Tom Tousignant, some time), helping to make instruction better and the market more open.

There's lots of serious stuff, too. For reasons we'll go into at the meeting, there's some issues in the instructor community that need to be handled, and others that need to be handled better.

There's lots we need to do: get more people involved in political activity, get more people involved in shooting, and, yes, get more people to take out carry permits.

So: let's get together on the 16th, have some fun and talk a bit. I've got some ideas, and I bet you do, too.

There's work to do and fun to be had; let's do it and have it.

And, yup, that's what The New Thing is all about.


Everything said here sounds great but is the idea still alive?


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The idea lives in each of us. That was a big part of the New thing. Make Activism fun could have been its motto.

If you look around, getting interested people more interested and active, getting groups of like minded people together and if not on the sam page, at least in the same play book. Etc.

I've taken it to mean: How can _I_ foster activism and help the overall RKBA community?

What can _I_ do?

Chunkstyle had a barbecue and look how many people turned up. Suddenly it was an example to point to. How many openly carrying people at the Harriet Island Band shell without ANY police response or involvement? Seems simple and understandable to us but I'll bet an Anti wouldn't believe you without a specific incident to cite.

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It's alive in spirit. But in practical terms at the moment it's kind of like:

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I imagine in the coming months we'll have plenty to get organized about. Lately it's all been imaginary dragons. We'll probably have some real ones soon.

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I'm pretty sure that there are some folks out doing useful and fun activism, and telling others about it, although this hasn't exactly been a fun political season.

There's also been some learning experiences; all in all, I'd say it's still going on. I know I still have a lot of fun doing what I do.

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I'm new to the boards. I'm reading this thread trying to figure out what is this meeting. Where and when and for who?
Any enlightenment would be appreciated. :)


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