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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:40 pm 
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Here's an article about Dan Griffith vs. Terri Stoneburner

http://www.citypages.com/2008-10-29/news/dan-griffith-fights-for-your-right-to-elect-judges/1

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Dan Griffith fights for your right to elect judges
Lawyer seeks to amend state constitution
By Beth Walton
published: October 29, 2008

Dan Griffith is not the sort of candidate to run on his experience. He barely mentions his 15 years as a lawyer, the time he spent as assistant city and county attorney in the International Falls area, or that he received the Advocacy Achievement Award from Legal Services for his work with the disadvantaged—all of which would seem to be important qualifications in his bid for one of two statewide openings on the Court of Appeals.

No, what Griffith wants to talk about is the state constitution. Specifically, article VI, section 7, which says that judges "shall be elected by the voters from the area which they are to serve."

"Judges probably have more impact on our individual rights and freedoms than any other public office holder," Griffith says. "I don't think people realize it, but there is a very organized effort in this state to take away your right to vote for judges."

Griffith, 46, is talking about the work of the Citizens Commission for the Preservation of an Impartial Judiciary, chaired by former Gov. Al Quie. Established in 2006, the Quie Commission has lobbied the Legislature to change the constitution, proposing a model based on gubernatorial appointments and retention elections.

Under the Quie Commission's plan, which is supported by the Minnesota Bar Association, judicial candidates would not be elected at all. Instead, the governor would appoint justices for an initial four-year term from a list put together by a merit selection commission. The governor and the chief justice—a position the governor appoints—would select attorneys and other professionals to serve on the commission.

"People who support this approach believe it's vitally important in this age of complex legal issues that we get people who are legally knowledgeable and temperamentally suited for the bench," says John Kostouros, director of the state court information office. "It really comes down to sort of competing values: the idea that elections should be open to anybody and anybody should be able to win if they can convince the voters to vote for them, or the value of knowledgeable people selecting good-temperament judges because of the important role they play."

The Quie Commission has proposed that the state hold retention elections after each initial term. Instead of running against someone, as judges do now, candidates would run against themselves in an up or down vote. Another committee, also set up by the governor and the chief justice, would evaluate judges who are up for election, marking them "qualified" or "not qualified." Voters would then be advised of this evaluation on the ballot to help them make an informed choice.

"That's not a democracy," exclaims Griffith. "The whole essence of a democracy is that we the people need to choose our leaders, yet the mind-set among some is that people aren't really smart enough for that, so someone else should do it for them. That's exactly what we fought against at the birth of this nation. We say we want to keep politics and special-interest money out of judicial selection, but giving the power to appoint all our judges to one partisan political figure who accepts special-interest monies, the governor, is not the way to do it."

Griffith is not alone in his criticism. Susan Miles, the vice president of the Minnesota District Judges Association, argues that retention elections don't fully insulate against politics seeping into judicial races. A special-interest group could still ambush judges to get them tossed off the bench—for example, the big-business lobby could run commercials against a judge who favored consumer rights. Members of the District Judges Association are also concerned about who would evaluate them and how that evaluation would be conducted, she says.

"These are details that are very important to the judges," says Miles. "And in the bill that was proposed last session, even the proponents would admit that the performance evaluation piece of that bill had some serious flaws."

Although the Quie legislation never made it past committee, proponents plan to introduce it again this session to counter the potential ramifications of a 2002 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that found limiting judicial candidates' campaign speech violates the First Amendment. Proponents of appointive systems argue that it's the only way to keep the more sordid side of politics from tainting the bench.

"Judicial independence and impartiality—the guarantee to every individual a fair trial—can only be preserved when judges are not obligated to political parties, constituents, or donors, and unfettered by fear of public reprisal for an unpopular decision," says Minnesota Bar Association President Michael J. Ford.

Changing the system has become Griffith's hobby and passion. He has run for a seat on the appeals court twice before—in 2004, garnering 37 percent of the vote, and in 2006, when he nearly reached 44 percent. If elected, he would be the first justice on the appeals court ever to be selected by the voting public—it's common practice among judges to resign before their term expires, allowing the governor to appoint their replacement.

Griffith says he's running on principle and not against any particular candidate, but the truth of the matter is, he does have an opponent: incumbent Judge Terri J. Stoneburner.

At 63 years old, Stoneburner has served on the appeals court since Gov. Jesse Ventura appointed her in 2000. She has 32 years of law experience, 18 of them as a judge, and has been re-elected three times.

"I just think I have the experience," says Stoneburner, who garnered a 92 percent approval rating in a recent survey of the state's three largest law firms. "The lawyers respect what I do. I am known to be a very efficient judge, to be very prepared for the arguments. I have written thousands of opinions."

Despite her impressive résumé, Stoneburner is anything but complacent about this election. Campaigning against an opponent who says he's not running against anybody isn't the easiest feat. Griffith's message that a vote for him is a vote against an oppressive system could be a powerful argument to voters despite its flaws, she fears.

"I'm campaigning against a person who is not talking about his qualifications to be a judge," she says. "[Griffith] is the one bringing political issues into a judicial election. He is somehow implying that a vote for him will affect the way in which judges are selected, which is not true. By doing that he focuses voters away from the merits of the election, that is: Who is more qualified for the job? By saying he's running against nobody, he implies that voters don't need to look at the other candidate at all."


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I'm not voting for ANY incumbents on the Supreme Court.

All of them are too stupid to understand that when the legislature DELETES "offense" and SUBSTITUTES "felony," it intended a DIFFERENT result in future applications of the statute. Instead, the Court (all 7 of them) said "OUR policy" is better than the Legislature's. The Legislature can't have meant what they did, so we'll ignore it.

I'm now convinced no human can write a statute the Minnesota Supreme Court won't twist any way IT wants based on it's own policy decisions, not the legislatures. That's aristocracy, not democracy. Throw 'em all out.


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Which case(s) are you talking about, Kimberman? I would like to take a look at them.

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I'm not voting for ANY incumbents on the Supreme Court.

All of them are too stupid to understand that when the legislature DELETES "offense" and SUBSTITUTES "felony," it intended a DIFFERENT result in future applications of the statute. Instead, the Court (all 7 of them) said "OUR policy" is better than the Legislature's. The Legislature can't have meant what they did, so we'll ignore it.

I'm now convinced no human can write a statute the Minnesota Supreme Court won't twist any way IT wants based on it's own policy decisions, not the legislatures. That's aristocracy, not democracy. Throw 'em all out.

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Any opinions on Hedlund vs Gildea for MN Supreme Court?
(other than Kimberman's blanket dismissal of all incumbents)

I'm on the fence here.


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kimberman wrote:
I'm now convinced no human can write a statute the Minnesota Supreme Court won't twist any way IT wants based on it's own policy decisions, not the legislatures. That's aristocracy, not democracy. Throw 'em all out.


I'm standing solidly with kimberman on this. Run them all off and start fresh. :evil:

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I'm starting to lean towards Hedlund for MN S. Ct.


In my opinion, Ben Torell and Karl Hanson look like the best for the two contested Soil and water supervisor Seats in Hennepin County. (They're not quite judges, but almost...)

Torell is a firearms safety instructor: http://ww2.startribune.com/news/metro/elections/profiles/32034.html?p=27-125002790100&z=55369


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I just spent the past few hours researching judges on the web. I didn't find anything relating to Second Amendment issues but I did find plenty of information regarding general political outlook. In the absence of specific second amendment-related information, I will be voting for politically CONSERVATIVE judges across the board. As you know, political conservatives are, 99.9% of the time, better on Second Amendment issues than are so-called "liberals." Furthermore, I personally am not a single issue voter. Though gun rights issues are near and dear, there are dozens of other issues as well.

Anderson vs Tinglestad: Tinglestad
Gildea vs Hedlund: Hedlund
Griffith vs Stoneburner: Griffith
Link vs Bush: Link
Piper vs Ranum: Piper
Haeg vs Swenson: Not sure yet, but leaning to Swenson



I found this highly revealing voter guide. It is by a group calling itself 'The League of Pissed Off Voters' and they brand themselves as young people who want "change." You know what that means, right? They support Franken, Madia, and, of course, enthusiastically support the gun-grabbing cryptofascist Barack Obama, and so whoever they support I do not. I also consulted dozens of other sites and I won't bother to dig them up again.

- Tinglestad is a rightwing Christian. Actually his and Anderson's record on the issues doesn't vary too much (according to the Minnesota Family Institute) except regarding abortion. Anderson believes that taxpayers should fund abortion. Although it has never been a big issue to me, I certainly don't agree with Anderson. Tinglestad seems like the more conservative candidate so I will support him.

- In Hedlund vs Gildea, both are labeled as mean and evil rightwing neonazi bad girls by the leftist site that I posed above, but they seem to hate Hedlund more so she'll have my vote. I actually know someone close to Hedlund and I have been receiving emails from her campaign throughout the summer. Both are good candidates, but Hedlund is better.

- On Stoneburner's site she talks about how she is all for "equal access to justice," "access" being a leftist codeword for that you should get what you didn't earn at the expense of others. In Stoneburner I smell a "progressive. She does not want the elections of judges to be "politicized" which means that she is of the elitist 'we marxists know what's best for you peasants' attitude and so Griffith, who openly favors judicial elections, will have my vote.

- In Link vs Bush I, as another poster mentioned, don't like that Link is simply voting on the bad name recognition of his opponent. However, the group of "progressives" that I linked to above support Bush and so I tend to favor Link. I also like the idea of voting against judicial incumbents when I don't know much about them. I don't know if Bush is conservative or leftist, so I don't know.

- Ranum comes off as another Obammunist-style "progressive" and so Piper has my vote.

- The Haeg vs Swenson race has been quite vicious. Haeg was fired by Swenson, or by his staff, because of budget cuts and he seems to be running for revenge. On his site Haeg talks about the need to give women special treatment in domestic cases and I don't much care for that kind of nonsense. I am leaning towards Swenson at this time and am awaiting some feedback from my lawyer friend who sent me the emails regarding Hedlund.


I hope that helps and remember to vote CONSERVATIVE.






Also, if you are in the west metro area and have a choice between Kim Kang and Connie Doepke for MN house, VOTE FOR CONNIE DOEPKE! Kim Kang is a radical leftwing nutjob. Connie Doepke is on an email list of which I am also a part and everyone on it is a solid, common sense conservative. Vote for CONNIE DOEPKE!


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Thank you for the help. It came in useful today.

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I just spent the past few hours researching judges on the web.


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