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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:38 am 
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I may bet blasted for this, but I think cost is the only factor to consider. Many members beleive, and I agree, that no class should be necessary nor should even a permit, to carry. Hence, why spend any extra money on a class that may or may not teach you anything more than any other class. Sure, there are poor instuctors, and we have discussed them, but cost, in this case, is not an accurate barometer of quality. You can take any class you wish, but there are certainly many other avenues of information post class that are free, calling Joel, however, is not one of them :D. Just my opinion. Save your money for ammo.


Your not going to be blasted by me, I took my renewal class from Phorvick simply because it was the most reasonably priced and complete course available.

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I think course content and price both have to be considered when deciding on where to take your permit class. I also think you should find an read all the posts on this forum that relate to classes. There is a lot of bashing of some instructors and some of it may be factual. If nothing else it provides amusing reading. After you have done your homework, take a class, get your permit and decide at that point whether or not to take another class from that instructor. There are a lot of choices, and the choice is noones but yours. Good luck, and "may the Force be With You" so to speak


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DeanC wrote:
I used Don for my initial permit. I didn't use him for my second, but only because I jacked up my timing and had to get it done fast.

He's definitely one of the good ones.


thanks mr. Deanc. i figure if some of you local guys say Don is one of the good instructors that's good enough for me. i'll contact Don about his next class in eden prairie.

btw, sorry about my slow response. been moving my wife and her stuff (100's of pairs of shoes).

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While I agree that no training should be required, there is a lot to know, and dozens of pitfalls that a good class can help you avoid.

More importantly, you run the risk of picking up incorrect information, which can get you in a lot of trouble.


For those very reasons as a newby to carry I think there actually should be requirements. I for one do not want some crazy son of a gun running around
with a gun just because he should be able to.

The biggest thing taught should be the responsibility that comes with carrying. Before the class many would not think about consequences or backdrop to the situation etc.

BTW I really liked the way Jason and Mike of Metro Defense (princewally) ran their class with a lot of discussions and what if's not to mention the price is REALLY right for Veterans.


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Moby Clarke wrote:
I may bet blasted for this, but I think cost is the only factor to consider.
I think your logic, as previously discussed, is preposterously flawed, but for those folks who want to take your advice, <a href=http://joepenaz.ipower.com/store/page2.html rel="nofollow">there is a class on June 28 that will cost only $49.95, plus some disclosed (and perhaps nondisclosed) extras</a>. If you believe the ad (I do not), the vendor is
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offering you the chance to get your Minnesota Permit at a Patriot’s price (sic) of $49.95 (plus $3.50 <s>processing</s> [correction by JR] shipping fee)

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Again: I do not believe the vendor. YMMV; caveat emptor; carpe canem.
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...You can take any class you wish, but there are certainly many other avenues of information post class that are free,
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calling Joel, however, is not one of them.
That is also true; I don't do post-class support for inadequate instructors.


hi Joel. i presume you are the owner of this neat forum. funny you mention Penaz. i was in a gun shop yesterday and the guy behind the counter told me about him. apparently Penaz just gave a free carry class for 90 college guys and gals. i think that is great for our cause as far as gun rights and self protection. i would have contacted him if not for the fact that i already emailed Don Larson. Joel, from everything i hear you do a good class, but currently i'm counting pennies left over from my move from Wisconsin. hopefully i will be able to buy some ammo for my class with what i save on a less expensive class. i'm having a hard time finding ammo especially 380. anyone have any leads on where to find some? thanks jw

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BTW I really liked the way Jason and Mike of Metro Defense (princewally) ran their class with a lot of discussions and what if's not to mention the price is REALLY right for Veterans.

And they are the guys I took my renewal from.

It's hard to give them an shining endorsement because I am so self-conscious of the great personal relationship I have with them that I'm afraid of being self-serving.

I definitely give them a thumbs-up too.

I suppose I should say I really like Don too and look forward to our monthly lunches and one day taking some advanced classes from him....one day...

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larryflew wrote:
BTW I really liked the way Jason and Mike of Metro Defense (princewally) ran their class with a lot of discussions and what if's not to mention the price is REALLY right for Veterans.

I definitely give them a thumbs-up too.


Thanks, both of you.

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I've been carrying for several years now. The problem I'm going to have (good problem) will be deciding who I will take my renewal class from when the time comes. By reputation there are some darn fine instructors on this board, and darn nice folks to boot. In the long run I would like to take some type of course with serveral of the instructors here.

Jonahwaters, I think you are taking a good first step in the decision process by asking here. Check out some of the names mentioned I'm sure you'll find something that will fit your needs.

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i believe you are absolutely right Scott. it's a ongoing learning process. there's no way to remember everything taught in one carry class. i'm sure i'll be reading this forum along with some carry books to further my learning. i read somewhere that it's a good idea to take renewal classes with different instructors so we can learn different perspectives. thanks everyone. i'll try to get my home pc hooked up soon. we'll talk to you guys then. jw

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I plan to chose carefully when selecting a renewal class about a year from now. Recommendations such as those in this thread will help.


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Jonahwaters wrote:
i believe you are absolutely right Scott. it's a ongoing learning process. there's no way to remember everything taught in one carry class. i'm sure i'll be reading this forum along with some carry books to further my learning. i read somewhere that it's a good idea to take renewal classes with different instructors so we can learn different perspectives. thanks everyone. i'll try to get my home pc hooked up soon. we'll talk to you guys then. jw


I agree wholeheartedly with the different instructor idea. I took my initial from Andrew Rothman, and would recommend him to anybody without any reservations whatsoever. He did a top-notch job, is VERY thorough, and runs an entertaining class on top of it all.

I plan to take my renewal down the road from Joel. I'm certain it will be worth every nickel.

BTW, Jonah, I took my NRA Basic Pistol and PPITH Instructor training from Don, and will have PPOTH Instructor training with him in a couple of weeks. I'm guessing you're in for a very good class. Don's an excellent instructor, and is an all-around great guy.

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Thank you very kindly, Mark. I am proud of what my students say about my carry class.

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hey guys, just checking in to thank everyone again for all the great help. i would also like to thank our host, Joel, for creating this unique forum. i feel it's very generous of Joel to allow other instructors to solicit on his message board. koodos to you, Joel.

btw, i've contacted DonL regarding a carry class. due to unforseen problems i won't be able to take the class until august. anyways, i guess i'll have plenty of time to learn the ropes before class time.

jw

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hi Joel. i presume you are the owner of this neat forum. funny you mention Penaz. i was in a gun shop yesterday and the guy behind the counter told me about him. apparently Penaz just gave a free carry class for 90 college guys and gals.
Actually, apparently not; his website says that he and "Michael Martin from MnTactics" are planning to give a significantly discounted class -- "$5 for paperwork" -- for up to 100 such on the 27th. In principal, it sounds like a generally legitimate promotion, although if one clicks on his signup link, there's no place to register for the $5 class at http://joepenaz.ipower.com/store/page2.html; I can't tell how they'd sign up for the $5 class, or if it's really $5 plus $3.50 for "shipping."

Still, if it does exist, even a $8.50 class is pretty cheap.

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Thank you very kindly, Mark. I am proud of what my students say about my carry class.


Yes, you are real deal, Andrew.

Can I borrow twenty bucks? :)

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