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| Author: | Lenny7 [ Wed May 20, 2009 10:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 5 Alabama cops fired over beating caught on camera |
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/alabama.police.beating/index.html?eref=rss_us Quote: Story Highlights Footage believed to have been shot in January 2008 after 50-mile chase Beating occurs after car rolls over, ejecting unconscious man onto ground Prosecutors found footage while preparing for man's attempted murder trial Birmingham mayor says incident recalls days of segregation, police brutality I was pissed off when I first saw the video, but that first clip I saw didn't show the guy trying to run the cop over like this one does. After seeing that, I don't feel sorry for the guy at all. |
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| Author: | macphisto [ Wed May 20, 2009 11:08 pm ] |
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I, too, don't feel sorry for the guy...nor the five officers fired for the incident; those are some very costly cheap shots. The adrenaline was flowing and they were understandably pissed off, but they really screwed the pooch when they decided to beat an unconscious suspect. By now, I'm sure they've all got new jobs in another department a few counties over. 
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| Author: | joelr [ Thu May 21, 2009 5:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 Alabama cops fired over beating caught on camera |
Lenny7 wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/alabama.police.beating/index.html?eref=rss_us Quote: Story Highlights Footage believed to have been shot in January 2008 after 50-mile chase Beating occurs after car rolls over, ejecting unconscious man onto ground Prosecutors found footage while preparing for man's attempted murder trial Birmingham mayor says incident recalls days of segregation, police brutality I was pissed off when I first saw the video, but that first clip I saw didn't show the guy trying to run the cop over like this one does. After seeing that, I don't feel sorry for the guy at all. |
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| Author: | Dick Unger [ Thu May 21, 2009 6:00 am ] |
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If these were "pissed off civilians", they would go to jail for this. As soon as the threat stops, no one is allowed to continue the violence. The law is the same for everyone. But usually only the civilians are held to the letter of the law, but the highly trained professionals get credit for "adrenalin". 
Cops may be (justifiably) "pissed off" whenever they have to arrest somebody. Probably most of us feel the same way when somebody acts out and put everyone else in needless danger. Just because the suspect could not manage his anger does not mean that the police should not control their own anger. That's sort of the essence of being a police officer. |
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| Author: | joelr [ Thu May 21, 2009 6:01 am ] |
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This, for those who haven't heard it before, is the sound of the hammer hitting the nail on the head. |
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| Author: | Lenny7 [ Thu May 21, 2009 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 Alabama cops fired over beating caught on camera |
joelr wrote: It's also not okay for cops to beat somebody half to death -- or worse -- because they're mad. Lots of people get mad, and often for very good reasons, after all. I didn't say it was ok to beat him, I just said I don't feel all that sorry for him. Had I felt the cops were justfied in beating him, I would not have posted it in "Isolated Incidents". |
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| Author: | Selurcspi [ Thu May 21, 2009 7:20 am ] |
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I fixed it for you Dick, the opposite of Civilian is Military, not COP 
[EDIT: PLEASE do NOT "fix" posts where you quote something the original author did not actually say. It creates confusion when quotes get quoted elsewhere and puts words into someone else's mouth. The "fix" in this case would have been to point out that he should replace "civilian" with non_LEO for your stated reason. - PLB] |
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| Author: | Carbide Insert [ Thu May 21, 2009 11:02 am ] |
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This is good example of vigilantism. Someone ought to point out this video next time the V-word is brought up with regard to citizens lawfully defending themselves, with guns or otherwise. I'm glad the bad guy was caught. I'm also glad they were all fired. Like the narration said, great police work the whole way, up until the last 11 seconds. In my opinion, this rightly belongs in isolated incidents, thought the chief's actions belong in On the Job. You could post this video in both threads. 
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| Author: | 340PD [ Thu May 21, 2009 4:28 pm ] |
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I think the bad guy needs to go to jail for any charges they can convict him on and I think all the cops should rightfully lose their jobs and have criminal charges brought against them for assault. Regardless of their feelings or adrenaline the use of force allowed is only what is needed to subdue the bad guy...nothing more. Seeing as the bad guy was obviously unconscious after having been thrown from the vehicle no force was needed. The actions of these officers was appalling. I hope these animals are prevented from being in a position of authority ever again. I also hope they go after everyone else who tried to cover this up or failed to act on it after having seeing the tape, no matter how far up that goes. |
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| Author: | Jeremiah [ Fri May 22, 2009 7:46 am ] |
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I seem to remember a Chris Rock routine on just this sort of thing: "Don't run from the cops. If they have to come get you, they're bringing an ass-kicking with them." Sad but true.
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| Author: | jaysong [ Fri May 22, 2009 8:30 am ] |
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Selurcspi wrote: I fixed it for you Dick, the opposite of Civilian is Military, not COP [EDIT: PLEASE do NOT "fix" posts where you quote something the original author did not actually say. It creates confusion when quotes get quoted elsewhere and puts words into someone else's mouth. The "fix" in this case would have been to point out that he should replace "civilian" with non_LEO for your stated reason. - PLB] I am glad I am not the only one who is bothered by people inferring civilian LEO are not civilians. Thanks! 
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| Author: | Carbide Insert [ Fri May 22, 2009 1:54 pm ] |
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Me too. Dick does it quite often, even after having had it pointed out, and I never get used to it. Each time I hear people say that, I just remind myself that they don't know what they are saying, or what those words really mean; they are likely just parroting the same phrase that they heard elsewhere in the same circumstance, from someone else who was also ignorant of what they were saying. That doesn't soften it's impact on me, but it makes me view the speaker in a less-guilty light. 
The whole thing still contributes to the mentallity that the police are "others", "superiors", or "special" in a particular way. Not good for the country. 
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| Author: | Lenny7 [ Fri May 22, 2009 4:39 pm ] |
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About half the online dictionaries I checked define civilian as someone not in the military or police force. Merriam-Webster'sdefinition: Quote: civilian One entry found. Main Entry: ci·vil·ian Listen to the pronunciation of civilian Pronunciation: \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\ Function: noun Date: 14th century 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law 2 a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b: outsider 1 — civilian adjective |
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| Author: | Dick Unger [ Fri May 22, 2009 5:09 pm ] |
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I guess it bothers folks that I use the usual definition of "civilian" as someone who is not acting as either a policeman or a member of the military. But that's the way I mean it. Cops do often want to be a "civilian too", I guess. But, they're not, whenever they act as cops. They have special rights as cops, and special responsibilities as well. And their 'special rights" do not include changing the common definition of the word "civilian" to suit a political agenda. I don' t know where you guys get the idea that a cop is a civilian, but the dictionaries agree with me. |
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| Author: | kimberman [ Fri May 22, 2009 6:24 pm ] |
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Dick Unger wrote: And their 'special rights" do not include changing the common definition of the word "civilian" to suit a political agenda. I don' t know where you guys get the idea that a cop is a civilian, but the dictionaries agree with me. Yes. I was in the military, now I am just a civilian. Cops want to be "special" and separate from the common herd. It's their choice, affirmed by widespread usage and most dictionaries, not to be ordinary "civilians." Most cops want to be as "militarized" as they can be. They often view their service area as a foreign country inhabited by savages. Most of them have no non-LE related friends (except relatives). Their choices. As this incident, among thousands, demonstrates, THEY are not civilians. You and I are. There are three classes of persons in the twenty-first century: military, police, and civilians. In the eighteenth century and most nineteenth century there were two classes (military and civilian) because THE police did not yet exist (e.g., the Royal Army "policed" Boston in 1774). Times change, language changes too. Live with it. |
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