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Author:  rmodel65 [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Another glynn OC incident, still considered isolated :P
http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2008/12/w ... crime.html




Friday, December 19, 2008 Where's the Reasonable Suspicion of a Crime? From Ed Stone:

David,

Please read this police report about an arrest of a person openly carrying a pistol for obstruction for refusing to identify himself and tell me what reasonable suspicion of a crime existing to detain this man and force him to identify himself.

This is not an incident I have previously reported to you, as it just happened. This is the same jurisdiction I wrote this letter http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/2008/06 ... -carriers/ and with which we have had other issues. Think they have it out for our members?

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What is in the water down there?

ED



take note we dont have a stop and identify statue unless loitering or prowling http://law.onecle.com/georgia/16/16-11-36.html
Author:  SultanOfBrunei [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another glynn OC incident, still considered isolated :P
rmodel65 wrote:
take note we dont have a stop and identify statue unless loitering or prowling

What are the laws regarding being asked to leave private property?

Quote:
Mall Security Ofc Sal Glorioso, who is a certified police officer in the employ of Colonial Mall, state that he witnessed Mr Belt attempting to enter the mall with the hand gun and ... instructed him to conceal his weapon or return it to his vehicle...
Author:  rmodel65 [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:35 pm ]
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he was in the process of securing the weapon, this is why no legitimate charges were filed.

once asked you must do so, only then can it be considered tresspass
Author:  SultanOfBrunei [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:41 pm ]
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What was the reason he was still there when the police arrived?
Author:  rmodel65 [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:42 pm ]
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a city PD(out of his jurisdiciton) wouldnt let him leave
Author:  SultanOfBrunei [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:57 pm ]
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rmodel65 wrote:
a city PD(out of his jurisdiciton) wouldnt let him leave

Was that the guy who was theater/mall security?
I am just wondering what the hell kept him from pulling his shirt over his gun, returning his gun to his car, or going to a different mall when asked to do so by the first mall security guy (an agent of the property owner.)

(I am pro-open carry, and just trying to get a good understanding of what went down. The police report is lacking.)
Author:  rmodel65 [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:03 pm ]
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it says if he was FLETC he would have allowed him to cover it and go inside. his only option was to put it away, or leave. then the movie cop started and while they were talking at his truck GCPD rolled up

i dont know why they claim he was uninsured? as my mother has his truck insured and would be unwise to not have insureance to protect he assets.


fletc=federal law enforcement training center
Author:  SultanOfBrunei [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:40 pm ]
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(Thanks for the FLETC def, I didn't know what the hell that meant.)

Ok, so I guess I don't know where I stand on this.
My personal take is that he should have left or removed his gun when asked (ie not be there when the police show up.)

I don't know what your state's regs are in regards to being required to ID during a lawful interaction with police. I don't think this is a "stop and ID" issue.

Yea, the vehicle insurance thing confuses me as well.
Author:  rmodel65 [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:43 pm ]
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SultanOfBrunei wrote:
(Thanks for the FLETC def, I didn't know what the hell that meant.)

Ok, so I guess I don't know where I stand on this.
My personal take is that he should have left or removed his gun when asked (ie not be there when the police show up.)

I don't know what your state's regs are in regards to being required to ID during a lawful interaction with police. I don't think this is a "stop and ID" issue.

Yea, the vehicle insurance thing confuses me as well.




kinda hard to do when the off duty city cop walked from the movies to him. and started

we dont have any statue that allows an officer to stop and demand id
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