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 MN Trooper Dashcam:Legitimate traffic stop or abuse of power 
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That is the most plausible thing I have read on this subject. If one had just watched the dash cam, and not read anything first, that is exactly what appears to have happened.

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So next time the lights go on behind this guy, he should stop right where he is at, the far left lane of an interstate at night. :roll:

There is no excuse for this trooper, none.

Is it possible that everything was good, the trooper had no problem with what the driver was doing? At least not until she rear ended the guy because she wasn't paying attention and on the icy shoulder she was unable to stop? Maybe fast thinking on her part as to not wanting to admit that she just plain rear ended the guy.......
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I finally watched the video. I think it was a legitimate attempt at a PIT maneuver. The slow speed screwed it up.

No comment on the rest. You've covered it pretty well.

Well, a couple of comments. If you listen to the two-way long enough, it doesn't matter what else is going on in your world, you will hear the stuff you're supposed to when it's broadcast. Selective attention, I s'pose.

Also, it's not uncommon to listen to music - loudly at times. It helps pass the time. Personally, I like Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald - it doesn't mean much.


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I finally watched the video. I think it was a legitimate attempt at a PIT maneuver. The slow speed screwed it up.

No comment on the rest. You've covered it pretty well.

Well, a couple of comments. If you listen to the two-way long enough, it doesn't matter what else is going on in your world, you will hear the stuff you're supposed to when it's broadcast. Selective attention, I s'pose.

Also, it's not uncommon to listen to music - loudly at times. It helps pass the time. Personally, I like Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald - it doesn't mean much.


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I've not just heard about the phenomenon before, I've seen it a fair number of times. At least some folks seem to, in effect, have a separate channel for it; many years ago, when I was hanging out with an old cop friend of mine, it amazed me that he could carry on a conversation without seeming to monitor what was going on on the radio, and then pick up his mike and answer something for him without hesitation.

As to the PIT maneuver, it's bad either way, as I went into at length at Windy.

As to the woman's haircut and putative sexual preferences -- which some folks, no you have commented upon -- that should only be of interest to somebody who is interest in dating (or less formal social relations with) her. I'm not in that category, so I don't care.

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Yeah the selective hearing is amazing. When I've done ride-alongs with LE type friends we can carry on conversations and they'll stop in the middle and respond to something on the radio.

And I've seen the same thing with air traffic controllers when I'm sitting in at the tower or at the TRACON. Watched two ATCs discuss very passionately the previous night's Vikings game while calmly directing aircraft. Often stopping mid-sentence to give instructions and then continuing mid-sentence to the other controller who at the time is also giving instructions to yet another aircraft. It's a switch I tell ya.

Back on topic (sorta), been pulled over myself and it was in an area where if I stopped I'd be blocking traffic, so I drove a few blocks (slow and turn signal on) until I found a side street I could turn onto.

Once stopped I noticed at least three squad cars piled up behind me. Officer came my window, indicating I hadn't signaled a lane change about a mile back, and wondering why I didn't stop. Indicated I would have but couldn't find a safe spot for either of us. He smiled, and told me to next time just pull over, and sent me on my way.

IMO, that's how the situation in the video SHOULD have been handled.

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I feel the trooper needs to be set free to find a new career path........Ahh yes Ms. Rindal I will have the fries with my burger. :evil:

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Trooper's PIT Maneuver Not Justified

New Year's Eve I-94 traffic stop reviewed by board

Created On: Wednesday, 18 Mar 2009, 11:58 AM CDT

* Mike Durkin

ST. PAUL, inn. - The Minnesota State Patrol on Wednesday said a trooper's use of the PIT maneuver on a New Year's Eve traffic stop was not justified.

A seven-member board reviewed the Dec. 31, 2008 traffic stop and arrest in which Trooper Carrie Rindal performed a Pursuit Intervention Technique (P.I.T.) to stop a driver on Interstate 94 in St. Paul.

The review board found Rindal had "reason for a heightened level of concern, but her decision to perform the PIT was not justified at the time and location the maneuver was attempted."

The board calculated 1 minute and 23 seconds elapsed from the time Rindal activated her lights and siren to the time she performed the PIT. Rindal arrested the driver, a Hudson, Wis. man, for fleeing police.

Board members agreed the driver was not “actively intending to flee.” The Ramsey County Attorney did not file formal charges.

Col. Mark Dunaski, chief of the Minnesota State Patrol, said Rindal has been disciplined and will receive additional training.

“This was a regrettable incident,” Dunaski said. “But as an agency we will use it as an opportunity to learn in order to improve our service to the public and prevent something like this from ever happening again.”

Dunaski said this incident will be used as a learning tool for every trooper who undergoes training on the decision-making process prior to implementing a PIT maneuver.

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Good thing she doesn't work for Robbinsdale PD, or she'd have gotten truly punished for abusing her authority.


Oh wait.

At least she gets to be humiliated permanently by being "used as a learning tool for every trooper who undergoes training on the decision-making process prior to implementing a PIT maneuver".

Hmm. "I rindalled the suspect into the guard rail prior to arrest." I can see that on a police report in the near future.

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Good thing she doesn't work for Robbinsdale PD, or she'd have gotten truly punished for abusing her authority.


Oh wait.
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Pursuit Intervention Technique (P.I.T.) to stop a driver on Interstate 94 in St. Paul.


Here I always thought the "pit" in pit maneuver referred to the racing term.


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"I rindalled the suspect into the guard rail prior to arrest."


:lol: :lol: :lol:

And would he then "Jump the Couch" because he was the "Only One Professional Enough" to save the day? :lol:

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The Ramsey County Attorney did not file formal charges.

Col. Mark Dunaski, chief of the Minnesota State Patrol, said Rindal has been disciplined and will receive additional training.

“This was a regrettable incident,” Dunaski said. “But as an agency we will use it as an opportunity to learn in order to improve our service to the public and prevent something like this from ever happening again.”


It's good to know that if I drive like an idiot and crash into another car in the east metro, the county and the state patrol will simply treat it as a learning experience, and not pursue criminal charges.

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I've held my piece (pun) on this incident, because it bothered me, too, but on several different levels than have been articulated. Most observations here are warranted. As some of you know, my kid sister is a MN troop (not actually my sister - more my daughter's age, but we put her up while she was in school, mentored her, was in her wedding, etc.). Carrie - the troop in this incident - was in my kid sister's wedding, cut the cake, partied with us and so on. She is not the character she has been painted to be (IMO), but certainly did not process this stop according to her training. Some unexplainable decisions to be sure. The irony is that she will be receiving additional pursuit training; one of the tasks my kid sister handles out of St. Cloud now. Go figure. I can hear her now, "WTF were you THINKING?" :evil: This entire situation could have evolved into a complete disaster. I'm glad it is being addressed, even if not rising to the level of progressive disciplinary action many of you would desire.


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The cynic in me says "disciplined" is nothing more than a smoke screen to make this all go away, especially since she is a protected class.


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As is most discipline; even the stuff I have to dole out (feds, not state). Progressive and not without guidelines. Nature of the beast, protected or not.


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