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 St. Paul Dogbite Cop Accused Of Beating His Wife 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:08 am 
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St. Paul Officer Accused Of Beating His Wife

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ST. PAUL (WCCO) ―

A St. Paul police officer is on desk duty after accusations he beat his wife. Officer Isaac Rinehart was arrested Monday night after turning himself in at the Maplewood Police Department.

Around 10 p.m., his wife walked into the Maplewood Police Department. Maplewood Chief Dave Thomalla saw her and noticed something was wrong.

"She had facial injuries. She had some bleeding from the nose and some swelling in her face," he said. "Obviously, she'd been assaulted."

She told him she'd been hurt by her husband at the home where he was staying. She said they'd been in a fight and she'd walked a mile to the police station. Maplewood officers took her to the hospital.

While she was being checked out, Thomalla called St. Paul Police Chief John Harrington to tell him what happened. Harrington called Rinehart's commander, who then called Rinehart. Within the hour, Rinehart had turned himself in.

Thomalla said while all domestic cases are different, his officers did not handle this one differently because Rinehart is a police officer. He said officers have to be careful when dealing with other officers because they are often armed.

"Unfortunately, domestic assaults and domestic violence happen frequently in our society. The suspects involved are in every occupation you can imagine. In this particular case it was a police officer," Thomalla said. "We're going to deal with this case the same way we would with every other one."

Thomalla said Rinehart didn't give police a statement and requested his lawyer. In his 15 years with St. Paul Police, Rinehart's personnel file shows he's been commended 16 times. He's also been reprimanded four times. One was a 4-day suspension in 1996 for conduct unbecoming of a police officer. Privacy rules prevent police from releasing any more details on that suspension.

Rinehart is also under investigation after his police canine bit a child earlier this year.

"This is a difficult situation. Certainly if these allegations prove true, this is very serious," said St. Paul Police Sgt. Paul Schnell.

Right now, Rinehart has been taken out of his canine unit and placed on administrative duty. Once the criminal case is closed, St. Paul Police will begin their own investigation.

"As a department, we want to take this stuff seriously. At the same time, if it's one of our officers or any member of the public, there is a due process route that is provided to all people that are accused," Schnell said.

When reached at his home Tuesday afternoon, Rinehart had no comment on the case.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:57 am 
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"In this particular case it was a police officer," Thomalla said. "We're going to deal with this case the same way we would with every other one."


Riiiiight. Every time there's a domestic assault in Maplewood, the police call the perp's boss, who in turn calls the perp and asks him to turn himself in?

Bullshit.

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"In this particular case it was a police officer," Thomalla said. "We're going to deal with this case the same way we would with every other one."


Riiiiight. Every time there's a domestic assault in Maplewood, the police call the perp's boss, who in turn calls the perp and asks him to turn himself in?


SURE, they do. Equal justice under the law (for the "special" people). Will he run afoul of Lautenberg?
I'll bet a free breakfast that Susan Gaetner's office finds a way to let him keep his gun.

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Hmmm, seems to me he should have to sit sans guns until cleared or convicted...after all, wouldn't they remove the guns from our homes?

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"In this particular case it was a police officer," Thomalla said. "We're going to deal with this case the same way we would with every other one."


Riiiiight. Every time there's a domestic assault in Maplewood, the police call the perp's boss, who in turn calls the perp and asks him to turn himself in?

Bullshit.



Actually, having a police officer who knows a perp contact he perp and request his voluntary surrender is probably very effective and low risk way to effect an arrest.

But in this case, it gives the perp notice that his wife has gone to the police, and he can clean up any evidence of a violent assault, and warn off anyone who might offer support to his wife or be a witness and lawyer up. It's obvious that they didn't want to really do an effective investigation, or collaberate her story.

Most domestic abuse victims do change their mind most of the time. Police know this, and are supposed to get other evidence as quickly as possible so they don't have to rely on the victim not caving in under pressure. They needed to arrest him before he was aware she contacted police, before he showered and cleaned up the scene and lawyerd up, if they were serious about investigating.

This is the perfect set up for a dismissal. Of course, they'll say it was a 'safe' way of arresting an armed man who was no flight risk. The truth is, I think, no one wants to investigate, or be the arresting officer. :evil:

I'd like to get the perspective of one of our LEO members. But this is the way I see this.


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Based on what was reported:

She made the report.

He was ARRESTED.

He was smart and didn't make a statement.

I don't have a problem with the chief-to-chief-to-suspect contact. I have done that (w/non-law enforcement contacts). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The potential evidence lost would be anything at the the scene, such as broken furnishings from a fight. Maybe bloody clothes. Anything to show consistency with her statement.

The best evidence will be her statement and any photographs of her taken at the time. They would most likely have done an examination of his hands and arms for evidence as well.

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Well, as Tman said, I guess they probably had the best evidence for this case before they decided to arrest him. And he was arrested, as opposed to just being summoned. And the perp was probably more likely to open up and make a statement to his Chief than sit down and chat with oficers who suddenly appeared with handcuffs to take him down. It was the safest way to effect the arrest, and was a reasonable strategy as far as getting a statement.

I'm no longer so sure his treatment by the police was special.

It's hard to know what should happen now. Domestics usually involve treatment and sentences are individualized.

One would hope that the public will be protected from a cop who beats up somebody.


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You guys really believe that had this not involved an officer, he would have been allowed to turn himself in? You can't really believe that?

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Moby Clarke wrote:
You guys really believe that had this not involved an officer, he would have been allowed to turn himself in? You can't really believe that?



They're not likely to get an immediate arrest warrant for a misdemeanor assault. And if he lays low for a whole day, they can no longer physically arrest him. They may merely summons him to court.

I think it worked really well. Most of the time, you don't get a cooperative suspect; you get a person of fecal craniality who doesn't worry about his career.

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OK, Tman, I believe you. Thanks for clarifying.

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