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 Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:14 pm 
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Sucks, web TV coverage just ended...........Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :!: :bang: :evil:


Uhhhh, mine is still going?? I know they warned that it might get cut but I'm watching via the Senate website.

And the just ended the meeting

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:18 pm 
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Yep, that's Joel.

This hearing is beginning to devolve a little bit into political posturing and it seems that most of the main issues have been discussed, so I'm going to end my liveblogging at this point.

Oops, web coverage just went out, so my timing was perfect.


Huh...I was the only one that didn't lose coverage?? I saw them adjourn the meeting and all which she did about 30 seconds after you guys lost coverage.

Basically her speech to adjourn was to say that everyone is going to work together to make sure this never happens again. And that this is only the beginning of the process, not the end.

But yeah, back to your point, towards the end it was mostly just rehashing the same issues over and over. Which is probably a good thing because even at my young age I'm not sure my blood pressure could have tolerated many more discoveries.

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To all who attended and blogged, thank you very much. You guys did a great job.

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To all who attended and blogged, thank you very much. You guys did a great job.


I second that "Thank You!". All involved did a very good job.

I hope you can do as well blogging the trials of Fletcher and Ryan. :lol:


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3) Something literally housed at a state-wide agency. cited the BCA.


Which begs the question, why not have the BCA do this in the first place, with a subordinate unit?

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plblark wrote:
3) Something literally housed at a state-wide agency. cited the BCA.


Which begs the question, why not have the BCA do this in the first place, with a subordinate unit?


Apparently no one at the BCA was in desperate need of a new flat-screen television or a new watch.


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There should definitely be trials coming out of this. Note that everything has been handed over to the FBI and US Attorney, and they aren't (or at least shouldn't be) beholden to MN politics.

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My take on the meeting today:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSSUcj9zlH8


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"We decided not to conduct an investigation of individuals"

Cowards.

"Commander Ryan had sold to an intern a TV for $30". The TV was subsequently returned".

Smoking gun putting Ryan right in the middle of the shenanigans.

That's "theft", not "misappropriation", by the way.


That's not only theft. That's profiting from a crime, I think that elevates both the crime and punishment.

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Rep. Michael Paymar (DFL) is asking why the board wasn't aware of the issues.

Nobles responded that they were aware of the issues, but that they were "reluctant" to confront the commander about them.


Because then their poor oversight on the matter would come to the public's attention, no doubt. (Or confronting the commander would take away precious time campaigning for more money, or whatever else the board did with it's free time)

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No-bid contract with Cars with Heart.

It would be interesting to know who owns that particular business.


And what state-level laws we have against no-bid contracts.

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Nobles: "The Ramsey County Sheriff's Office fiscal agent function really didn't perform much accountability or oversight at all. It simply provided a bank account."

More black eyes for Sheriff Fletcher.


Criminal use of the banking system? Wouldn't what the officers did be considered terrorism under certain justifications? I seem to recall the Patriot Act had some things about those inflicting terror on others and banks...

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Ryan and Fletcher are getting hit from every angle today. I don't know that I've heard a single thing so far that they could hang their hat on to defend themselves against charges of incompetence and corruption

EDIT : Is that Joel in the beer bottle shirt??


Good. Let's hope it's enough things they could hang (their jobs, not their hats) on.


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Was there any mention of the names of the 13 departments that were involved in the unit?


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No mention of the undocumented and untraceable guns?

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Moby Clarke wrote:
To all who attended and blogged, thank you very much. You guys did a great job.

Please allow me to say THANKS as well :!: 8)

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Special thanks to mrokern, mostlylawabiding, and Seitch, and particularly to reaver3/Doug, all of whom did great stuff, and to the rest of you who participated here.

Bizarre thing, the hearing. There apparently was an agreement to name no names whatsoever, although a few folks slipped up, every now and then. So instead of "Ron Ryan, Sr." we heard about "the former commander," say, and instead of "Fletcher" and the "RCSO" -- the folks who were responsible for the MGSF's money -- we heard about "the financial agent".

I think that, based on their own reports, both Nobles and Luger demonstrably understated the problem. There may -- may -- have only been ten to twelve crooked cops who demonstrably "lost their way" by what the speakers called something like "taking the property of others and converting it to their own use" or what we ordinary folks call "stealing other folks stuff while carrying guns," but the problem goes far beyond that.

Let me give you just one sample, although there's lots to pick from. The stuff in parens is mine; the rest is taken, without deletions, from the Luger report.

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The Missing Watches. In one case, an officer executed a search warrant in a matter involving theft of stolen property. Among the items seized, were 70 watches, many with the price tags still on them. Most of the tags indicated that the watches were to be sold for approximately $100. Shortly after the seizure, the officer in charge of the case was approached by a Strike Force employee who asked him to sign a blank form allowing for the destruction of evidence in his cases(1). The officer was told that this was being done to facilitate the destruction of a large amount of evidence that was no longer needed. The officer refused. The officer then noticed two Strike Force employees and the relative of a Strike Force employee in a conference room. All three were looking through the watches. One was holding a watch up to their wrist. Upon seeing the officer in charge of the case watching them, one of the employees stated that they were not doing anything wrong. (2) During our inventory, only 50 of the 70 watches could be found in the evidence room. (3) In addition, the case file contains the statement that all of the watches were sent to a specific jeweler to be sold. The jeweler denies receiving any of the watches. (4) Indeed, the jeweler clearly recalls that a Strike Force employee contacted him to determine if he was interested in selling these watches. The jeweler explained that he was not interested. Yet, the employee entered a notation in the file that all watches were given to this jeweler. (5) As a result, 20 watches potentially worth $2,000 are missing, and the case file contains a false statement that the watches were given to a jeweler for sale.

Let's count the crimes here.

1. Solicitation to commit fraud.
2. Possibly an innocent explanation, but see next footnote.
3. Theft. By whom? There's obvious suspects, and clearly PC for a search warrant.
4. False report.
5. False report.

And that's just one incident.

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Group showing of "Training Day" might be in order.


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Committee hearings are, for the most part, "hippodromed". By that I mean the script is written long before the meeting and it is rare that any real probing will be done. As a result, no names were brought forth in this hearing. It is political posturing, with little substance. The reports give all of the real information.

I believe, and I pray, that the FBI will have no reservations regarding naming names. Sheriff Bobby (Whitewash) Fletcher has viewed the MGSF as his personal power extension since it's inception. I have no doubt that he directed much of what went on there, but in his standard oblique manner, which gives him plausible deniability. Nevertheless, I hope that the FBI will make a thorough investigation, and start linking their probes of the RCSO and the MGSF.

As for Ron Ryan Sr., he was pushed out of the shadows of real policemen due to a most tragic and unfortunate event: The death of his son at the hands of Guy Harvey Baker. Absent that event he undoubtedly would have retired from the St. Paul Police Department as just another unheralded, bitter, street cop. He has never been an effective supervisor nor administrator, a situation that was magnified by the MGSF. Fletcher manipulated Ryan into the supervision of the MGSF to serve Fletcher's own ends.


Observation: Could there be a nexus between the closing of the Myth nightclub and the disbanding of the MGSF? Nah! Of course not. Pure coincidence.


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