Minneapolis Police caught on tape
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jenga
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Post subject: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:25 pm |
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I think the Minneapolis police will have to do some fast talking. Hard to justify when the guy is laying motionless on the ground and about 4-6 officers all jump on him and stomped and punched repeatably in not one but two separate incidents. Looked more like a gang fight than anyone trying to control the situation. I wonder if there will be metals for the officers for there bravery. http://www.startribune.com/local/53308937.htmlDid anyone find it unusual that the cop tries to open the door before anything else, like knocking on the window and asking for license and registration?
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Hunter07
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:30 pm |
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:01 pm |
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The kicking really put me over the edge. I can see situations where a few well place punches are appropriate, but the kicking was totally unnecessary.
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mrokern
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:12 pm |
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Thoughts after watching that:
I'm not taking issue with the first officer putting him on the ground. It takes some serious idiocy to get out of your car when you haven't been told to do so, and he wasn't exactly being calm.
I do wonder why in the world the first officer didn't tase him...? I counted at least four solid spots where the officer had a hand free and there was a lull in the fight. Isn't this kind of mess exactly what tasers are supposed to stop?
Regardless, the kicking is WAY out of line. Not allowable by any department I know of to stop someone from just going tense to resist restraint.
-Mark
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bstrawse
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:12 pm |
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I'm still reading through the statements of the various officers that responded, but it does look like one of the officers attempted to tase the subject - but it was ineffective.
More to read..
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mrokern
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:06 pm |
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bstrawse wrote: I'm still reading through the statements of the various officers that responded, but it does look like one of the officers attempted to tase the subject - but it was ineffective.
More to read..
b Yeah, saw that one of the later officers tried it. Problem is, who knows how clear of a shot he had... -Mark
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:23 pm |
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Compare the Strib video to the Fox 9 news videoFox 9 edited out all but one kick and much of the punching. Last night on the news they didn't show any kicking and maybe one punch.
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Scott Hughes
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:46 pm |
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DeanC wrote: The kicking really put me over the edge. I can see situations where a few well place punches are appropriate, but the kicking was totally unnecessary. I'm going to reserve my comments for a little while longer, except to say I'm thinking along the same line as Dean is thinking.
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rtk
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:05 pm |
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Total BS. It looked like "Brown Shirts", heads should roll.
RTK
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:29 am |
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Chief Dolan's solution: Make all 800 officers watch the tape and talk about their feelings with a supervisor. To his credit, he has also asked the FBI to investigate. Quote: Chief Dolan orders all 800 officers to watch videoPublished : Friday, 28 Aug 2009, 7:22 AM CDT MINNEAPOLIS - Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan has ordered all officers on the force to watch the dash cam video of a man being punched and kicked by six officers during a traffic stop. Dolan wants estimated 800 police officers on the force to watch should watch the video with a supervisor and talk about the use of force. The video shows six officers punching and kicking Derryl Jenkins, 42, during a Feb. 19 traffic stop for speeding in the area of Dowling Ave. N. and Penn Ave. N. in Minneapolis. The officer statements obtained by FOX 9, say several police officers kicked him and punched him because he was resisting. A Taser was also used to subdue Jenkins. After reviewing the video, Dolan asked for an outside review by the FBI. Dolan said the actions of Officer Richard Walker, the initial officer involved, "all appear to be very appropriate." It was the actions of the other responding officers, "specifically the kicking of the suspect," that concerned Dolan. Charges against Derryl Jenkins in the traffic stop were eventually dropped, but he's now considering a lawsuit against the Minneapolis Police Department.
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Selurcspi
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:34 am |
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DeanC wrote: Chief Dolan's solution: Make all 800 officers watch the tape and talk about their feelings with a supervisor.
This will be a training tape to teach these thugs to check that the Dash Cam is switched off before "sticking the boot in"
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:01 am |
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Selurcspi wrote: This will be a training tape to teach these thugs to check that the Dash Cam is switched off before "sticking the boot in" Or "The erase button and it's proper deployment."
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:40 am |
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Here's a better idea:
To me this looks like the outcome when a mass of guys are abusing steroids. There's a whole lotta 'roid rage going on here. It's time to start drug testing the cops.
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Dick Unger
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:24 pm |
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It does look like a bunch of guys who are ultimate fighter wannabes. The body language is not that of an officer who takes his obligation to serve the public seriously. It's obvious that they are never taken to task for their attitude. As long as police superiors think this crap is OK we'll never change it.
We need a whole new system of leadership and training.It's a sea change and will be hard to accomplish.
Dolan wants to watch this and discuss without assigning blame! If this was a private company, they'd dump everyone in the film. It's not even close.
The first one i'd dump, after reading this, is Dolan.
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mrokern
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Post subject: Re: Minneapolis Police caught on tape Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:11 pm |
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Bringing in the FBI is the right move, though...then again, if MPD had a functional internal affairs dept that gave a shit... Dick Unger wrote: It does look like a bunch of guys who are ultimate fighter wannabes. The body language is not that of an officer who takes his obligation to serve the public seriously. It's obvious that they are never taken to task for their attitude. As long as police superiors think this crap is OK we'll never change it.
We need a whole new system of leadership and training.It's a sea change and will be hard to accomplish.
Dolan wants to watch this and discuss without assigning blame! If this was a private company, they'd dump everyone in the film. It's not even close.
The first one i'd dump, after reading this, is Dolan.
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