Mpls SWAT Manages to Not Quite Kill Innocent Family
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Post subject:  Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:46 am |
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joelr wrote: I can't resist: they were just obeying orders does sound better in the original German. sie waren nur gehorchen Bestellungen
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kimberman
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:10 am |
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Quote: These Officers volunteer for SWAT duty, they are not paid extra and, in fact, for each training day they lose their night pay differential so they actually lose income to be on the team. But they get "paid" somehow or they wouldn't do it.
Perhaps, it's the adrenaline rush.
That is certainly what pops your eyeballs while observing
them on reality shows.
Do we really want people who are chemically habituated
on adrenaline rush in this type of public service work?
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:28 am |
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Quote: However, I can say that the investigation does not focus on the actions of the SWAT team, or individual officers on the team. So apparently when they, searching for two black men, kept running into Asians and evidence that this was an Asian family's home and kept charging ahead, their conduct should not be considered? And when they handcuffed the mother in front of her kids and neighbors and insulted her in the front yard even after it was proven she was not a threat, that should be ignored as well, or even awarded?
How quickly we forget.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:48 am |
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It isn't that they are forgetting. It is called selective memory.
Aren't these the same gang, er, group members, that used a "flash/bang" grenade some years ago that killed one or two innocent elderly persons by causing a fire?
My father, God rest his soul, used to caution about Minneapolis Police fifty years ago. It appears nothing much has changed, and that observation is made with all due respect to all concerned.
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kimberman
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When I was on a suburban police civil service commission (for 9 years), it seemed that all (at least, most) of our "personality" rejects wound up on the MPD. They wanted "action" and our suburb wanted peace.
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its only a matter of time.....
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:24 pm |
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I'm game. A matter of time until what?
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joelr
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:11 pm |
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phorvick wrote: joelr wrote: I can't resist: they were just obeying orders does sound better in the original German. sie waren nur gehorchen Bestellungen Okay; I was wrong; it is just as bad in the original German. My apologies to Herr Wachtmeister Palmer.
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DeanC wrote: Quote: However, I can say that the investigation does not focus on the actions of the SWAT team, or individual officers on the team. So apparently when they, searching for two black men, kept running into Asians and evidence that this was an Asian family's home and kept charging ahead, their conduct should not be considered? And when they handcuffed the mother in front of her kids and neighbors and insulted her in the front yard even after it was proven she was not a threat, that should be ignored as well, or even awarded? How quickly we forget. Well, there were the fine examples of policing in Golden Valley, who, upon being informed that a white guy in a van had robbed a bank, jumped-and-thumped the nearest black guy putting oil in his Jag.
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Traveler wrote: Here is what I received from the MPD. Interestinly enough, I received the <I>exact same</i> response, word for word (except for the salutation, in which they spelled my name wrong). I guess the MPD doesn't care to take the time to actually respond to individual citizens. Also, someone asked to see my letter, se here it is: Quote: Dear Chief Dolan,
Your spokesman is quoted as saying that the S.W.A.T. team in the Vang
Khang raid in December received their awards for "perform[ing] very
bravely under gunfire and ma[king] smart decisions."
I submit to you that Vang Khang himself displayed great courage in
taking up arms to defend his family from what he thought were violent
gang-members. Indeed you could say that he performed exemplary and
heroic acts that exposed him to considerable danger, thus qualifying him
for MPD's Citizen's Award of Valor.
If you do not feel comfortable nominating him, is there a way for me as
an ordinary tax-paying citizen to nominate Mr. Khang for this honor?
I thank-you for your time.
Peace,
Bruce W. Krafft, 3%'er
4726 Heights Drive
Columbia Heights, MN 55421
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bkrafft wrote: Traveler wrote: Here is what I received from the MPD. Interestinly enough, I received the <I>exact same</i> response, word for word (except for the salutation, in which they spelled my name wrong). I guess the MPD doesn't care to take the time to actually respond to individual citizens. . [andyshapero]You better be damn glad that they dont repond to you, becuasre they are a great bunch of guys and very ethical and they'll get even with you if you say otherwize.[/andyshapero]
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and yet, Rybak signed off on the awards just a few days ago......
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That was then, this is now.
He's re-thought the political gain equation.
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phorvick wrote: joelr wrote: I can't resist: they were just obeying orders does sound better in the original German. sie waren nur gehorchen Bestellungen Phorvick, it should be more like: sie befolgten nur Aufträge 
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