Twin Cities Carry Forum Archive :: View topic - Bigger is better....but which?

DeanC wrote:

Take a look at the .44spl. Look at defensive loads, not the cowboy load data.

DeanC wrote:

Take a look at the .44spl. Look at defensive loads, not the cowboy load data.

bensdad wrote:

DeanC wrote:

Take a look at the .44spl. Look at defensive loads, not the cowboy load data.

Do you mean the 44spl. as a gun, or as a round? If you like the round, you can get a 44mag. and shoot 44spl. from that. Then, you also have the capability to shoot mag., should the urge ever take hold of you.

mrokern wrote:

I'm quickly becoming convinced that .44 something is the right way to go. Here are my thoughts thus far...

.44 Special in a good defensive loading seems to be the perfect answer to blending effectiveness with manageability, especially when it comes to my wife being able to utilize it.

So then the question becomes...

Do I get a dedicated .44 Special, or go for a full-blown .44 Magnum?

Pros to the dedicated special:

- Weight
- Size
- Cost (especially since I have a lead on a nice one at a nice price :wink:

)

And I would end up with enough left over if I move the .45 that I might be able to treat myself to another toy as well...

Con to the dedicated special:

- Only one...will I end up jonesing for the magnum down the road for the ability to have a true hand cannon when I want one?

-Mark

BrianB wrote:

shouldn't have slept on the Colt. should have just put the plastic down... :mrgreen:

DeanC wrote:

I really, really like the Charter Arms Bulldog. There is no 44 mag that is even close to it terms of concealability and ease of carry.

I wish Ruger or S&W would make one.

J.C. Garand wrote:

Have you looked at the S&W 696 or 396? 5 shot .44 spl on a L frame.

Author:	mrokern [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:02 pm ]
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Got this up in a couple of other places too, as I like opinions. Joel and Andrew have weighed in already, but I'm guessing they might have more to add if the feeling moves them. But for the rest of you... I've settled into my two preferred carry / all purpose pistols and love them both. 1) P7 with Federal +p+ 2) Glock 22 with Federal HST I shoot them both well, my wife can handle them both well if need be along with the 12 gauge (that's important to me). Which leaves with with the pretty, but not used much .45 (PT1911). It's...negotiable...to me right now. I enjoy a powerful caliber, but nothing that breaks hands (e.g. Scandium frames). So I started thinking, researching, and looking around. I start thinking, "Gee, maybe a Glock 20 in 10mm...". I like the Glock platform and shoot it well, recoil is quite manageable (even for my wife), etc, etc...and it's very nice ballistically. Then a little voice in the back of my head starts saying, "Do you feel lucky..." and .44 magnum starts dancing around. So here's the dilemma, and keeping / trading / selling the 1911 are all options depending on costs. Regardless of what I do with the .45, I'd like this next pistol to have some "oomph" but still be reasonable (no .500mag, please). Which way should I be leaning? Every pistol I own with the exception of .22lr stays loaded in the event it would need to be used, so home defense is indeed a factor. Recoil isn't so much of a worry for me, but I do have some reservations about my wife shooting a .44 magnum. Not that I couldn't work with her, but I don't want her to be afraid and second guessing if she needs to pull that trigger based on recoil. I don't hike a lot, but do get out on family property in central MN a good bit. Not exactly bear country, though. I'm leaning harder and harder to the .44mag side of things. Any other things I should be looking at? -Mark

Author:	DeanC [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:23 pm ]
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Take a look at the .44spl. Look at defensive loads, not the cowboy load data.

Author:	joelr [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:28 pm ]
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DeanC wrote: Take a look at the .44spl. Look at defensive loads, not the cowboy load data. Yup.

Author:	bensdad [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:10 pm ]
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DeanC wrote: Take a look at the .44spl. Look at defensive loads, not the cowboy load data. Do you mean the 44spl. as a gun, or as a round? If you like the round, you can get a 44mag. and shoot 44spl. from that. Then, you also have the capability to shoot mag., should the urge ever take hold of you.

Author:	joelr [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:42 pm ]
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bensdad wrote: DeanC wrote: Take a look at the .44spl. Look at defensive loads, not the cowboy load data. Do you mean the 44spl. as a gun, or as a round? If you like the round, you can get a 44mag. and shoot 44spl. from that. Then, you also have the capability to shoot mag., should the urge ever take hold of you. Sure. But you can also get a 44spl revolver, instead -- or in addition -- and, by and large, they'll be lighter and less expensive than their big brothers.

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Author:	Ramoel [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:20 pm ]
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I never feel undergunned with a .44 mag. In my experience, rapid fire with a .44 mag is easier with a shorter barrel than a long one. Probably because the bullet spends less time in the barrel. The longer barrels tend to rise and twist a lot more. If I had to use one in self defense my main concern would be my ears. I've never fired a short barrel .44 mag without ear protection. The muzzle blast can actually be felt against your chest. I love shooting them though and unlike the lightweight models, they are not unpleasant to shoot and won't slap your hand as hard as an airweight .38 +P. I find .44 mags to be like potato chips, you can't have just one. Be prepared to reload or spend lots of money for ammo. If you get just one, a 4 inch barrel is probably the best all around size.

Author:	DeanC [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:54 pm ]
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I really, really like the Charter Arms Bulldog. There is no 44 mag that is even close to it terms of concealability and ease of carry. I wish Ruger or S&W would make one.

Author:	mrokern [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:14 pm ]
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I'm quickly becoming convinced that .44 something is the right way to go. Here are my thoughts thus far... .44 Special in a good defensive loading seems to be the perfect answer to blending effectiveness with manageability, especially when it comes to my wife being able to utilize it. So then the question becomes... Do I get a dedicated .44 Special, or go for a full-blown .44 Magnum? Pros to the dedicated special: - Weight - Size - Cost (especially since I have a lead on a nice one at a nice price ) And I would end up with enough left over if I move the .45 that I might be able to treat myself to another toy as well... Con to the dedicated special: - Only one...will I end up jonesing for the magnum down the road for the ability to have a true hand cannon when I want one? -Mark

Author:	joelr [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:32 pm ]
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mrokern wrote: I'm quickly becoming convinced that .44 something is the right way to go. Here are my thoughts thus far... .44 Special in a good defensive loading seems to be the perfect answer to blending effectiveness with manageability, especially when it comes to my wife being able to utilize it. So then the question becomes... Do I get a dedicated .44 Special, or go for a full-blown .44 Magnum? Pros to the dedicated special: - Weight - Size - Cost (especially since I have a lead on a nice one at a nice price ) And I would end up with enough left over if I move the .45 that I might be able to treat myself to another toy as well... Con to the dedicated special: - Only one...will I end up jonesing for the magnum down the road for the ability to have a true hand cannon when I want one? -Mark As to the last, possibly -- then again, while it would be difficult to flip a .44 special quickly, if you decided that didn't scratch enough of an itch, you could do that. Then again, you'd be more likely to want to hang onto it . . . and still want the Maggie.

Author:	BrianB [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:43 pm ]
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shouldn't have slept on the Colt. should have just put the plastic down...

Author:	mrokern [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:47 pm ]
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BrianB wrote: shouldn't have slept on the Colt. should have just put the plastic down... LOL Nope, no plastic for guns unless it's a debit card. I think I've got part one of dilemma solved. .44 special heading my way, and I can do that without even having to move the .45. If I want ANOTHER toy, I can always play a flip game...or teach more classes, which is what I probably SHOULD be doing. -Mark

Author:	J.C. Garand [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:24 pm ]
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DeanC wrote: I really, really like the Charter Arms Bulldog. There is no 44 mag that is even close to it terms of concealability and ease of carry. I wish Ruger or S&W would make one. Have you looked at the S&W 696 or 396? 5 shot .44 spl on a L frame.

Author:	Blued Steel [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:02 am ]
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For me, I would just buy the 4" plain jane 629, only slightly harder to carry than a 3 inch, and yet really easy enough to use with full house loads. For a house gun the 200 grain 44 special load at 900 FPS is pretty darn good, its strong but very controlable, and you can always keep a box of mag loads around for things bigger than a deer Another option is a 45 colt revolver. plenty of stomp, and very manageable.

Author:	DeanC [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:07 am ]
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J.C. Garand wrote: Have you looked at the S&W 696 or 396? 5 shot .44 spl on a L frame. Too big for a pocket. Here is my Bulldog with my Sideguard custom pocket holster:

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Author:	Blued Steel [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:11 am ]
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If one is not a skinny feller, then hiding a N frame on the body is not hard, its certainly not hard to carry a 4 inch N frame for hunting or field work, and again, good holster, good belt, carrying one all day is not that big of a deal, The bull dog is a great EDC carry gun if its your only option, however, Mark has other better carry guns for that purpose, but keeping the occasional carry with more likely field use, I lean toward the 629.