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380 Pressures and lower allow for straight blowback guns - anything more you must have a locked breech...


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380 Pressures and lower allow for straight blowback guns - anything more you must have a locked breech...


Pinnacle, Sorry to pick a nit,

But there have been several straight blowback 9mms made, notably the HK VP70, P7 and the Steyr GB.
THE VP has a massive slide which uses inertia to remain closed and safe, the P7 and Steyr both use a gas retardation system.
Both of these methods allow for safe function and make for an interesting product.

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380 Pressures and lower allow for straight blowback guns - anything more you must have a locked breech...


Pinnacle, Sorry to pick a nit,

But there have been several straight blowback 9mms made, notably the HK VP70, P7 and the Steyr GB.
THE VP has a massive slide which uses inertia to remain closed and safe, the P7 and Steyr both use a gas retardation system.
Both of these methods allow for safe function and make for an interesting product.


YOU Are right.... BUT all of the systems use a VERY heavy Slide (VP70 is Roller Locked isnt it?) and the P7 does have a gas system to buffer that power... I dont know anything about the Steyer GB - but I can find out.

Ok I should have said - FOR THE MOST PART - YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOCKED BREECH GUN FOR 9MM OR SOME SORT OF GAS SYSTEM OR A REALLY REALLY HEAVY SLIDE AND SPRING...)

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Pinnacle,

VP70 is straight blowback, including the Slide, trigger and firing pin it has 5 moving parts, but no rollers, they're in the SL series rifles.
The GB vents gas into the slide into a special shroud and creates a gas buffer, very clever, but a pain to clean. The P7 has an expansion chamber under the barrel and uses a slide mounted piston to slow the slide. All three use polygonal rifling and those that I owned would and will shoot better than 8" groups off a rest at 100M.

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All of the Hi-Point pistols have straight blowback actions .. even the 45 ACP :shock:


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All of the Hi-Point pistols have straight blowback actions .. even the 45 ACP :shock:


Well we see how high that quality is....

OK Again - MOST cals over 9mm use tilting locking bbl's


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Hi-points...what more can you say, people carrying them...why, because

They are heavy enough they are a dual purpose weapon.

Once you run out of ammo you can throw it at the attacker.


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Once you run out of ammo you can throw it at the attacker.

Or when it jams after the first round.

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Once you run out of ammo you can throw it at the attacker.

Or when it jams after the first round.


What I SHOULD have said (I do not consider straight blowback pot metal guns real tools) is any reasonable quality pistol chambered for a major caliber has some sort of delay or link built into it - whether it be gas retardation - or a tilting link or some sort of locked breech.

Straight blowback guns in major calinbers - over 9mm - are not normally of high quality and I would not own one on a dare.


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Every one should own a hi-point if for no other reason than to show during class. Nobody says you have to shoot it or carry it! :P

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Picked up some brass at the range for comparison.

Right to left:
5.7 x 28 --------------------- .17hmr ---------------- .223 ---------------- .22mag

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The GB vents gas into the slide into a special shroud and creates a gas buffer, very clever, but a pain to clean.
The GB is the pistol I really wanted back when I was in college. It was the most ergonomically correct handgun I'd ever picked up. For nostalgia's sake I still want one, but not quite enough to pay the collector's price they are now asking.


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Selurcspi wrote:
The GB vents gas into the slide into a special shroud and creates a gas buffer, very clever, but a pain to clean.
The GB is the pistol I really wanted back when I was in college. It was the most ergonomically correct handgun I'd ever picked up. For nostalgia's sake I still want one, but not quite enough to pay the collector's price they are now asking.


I had one, but sadly due to a combination of the cleaning problem, it was superceeded by a P7 and I was finally offered enough money to be overtaken by greed.
I've sold a few guns (the wife says, too few), all of which I have regretted after the fact.

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OK, back on topic (sort of). A question for those far more knowledgeable than I: between a 9mm and a .380, which would you pick for general carry purposes?


there are a lot of good guns out there in 380 - I see a couiple of advantages in it -

it is just shy of 9mm performance with similar weight bullets - we are talking the light ones. It recoils like a cupcake... A bigger gun like a beretta 85 or similar would make a formidable weapon in 380 in capable hands - low recoil - fires fast - holds 13 rounds - hits similar to a 9mm - hey nothing at all wrong with a 380


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