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 Alright, you all support the stimulus package? WTF? 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:46 am 
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According to most polls you do!

USA today, etc, 2/3 of Americans do................ :twisted:

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2/3rds of Americans don't know or understand what's in it.

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Five Seven wrote:
According to most polls you do!

USA today, etc, 2/3 of Americans do................ :twisted:


Everyone now days are sheep and don't do their own homework on issues such as the economy. The bill is the dream of all the politicians to get every pet project that will take 4 years to implement... good SHORT term stimulus :roll:

I like the republican idea of cutting the lowest tax rates by 5% because the lower tax brackets will spend all that money if they get it generally. This would be short term stimulus.

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I can't wait............George Bush gave me $900 last May, that there was free money! :wink: :roll:

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Perhaps this time around you'll put it away for a rainy day and avoid selling your guns when it pours.


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I don't think the congress has done any homework on what these stimuli mean.

Scenario:
You lost your job before lunch, car payment and mortgage are due, you need to take the bus home from the job you were just fired from. I give you a 10$ bill. Are you going to lend it to someone else?

The only way that bailing out banks would have worked, would have been to use the money to pay off the debt they have. Even if it's not all of it, banks would have been in a better position to lend again. Which, I am not at all convinced that any of the problem is the banks not lending.


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GOT THOUGHTS ON THE “STIMULUS BILL?”

Share ‘em with your Senators at (202) 224-3121
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I shared with Amy twice, Dick once, John once, and Patty,(worthless POS that she is), once too!

Simply an opinion! :roll:

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GOT THOUGHTS ON THE “STIMULUS BILL?”

Share ‘em with your Senators at (202) 224-3121
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I have several times. I've also contacted numerous R senators from other states, especially Mitch McConnell, urging them to do what was done in the House and make the Democrats own the failures that result from this legislation.

In your opinion and from years of experience in lobby politics, do petitions have any impact on average? Or are they I heard about this one yesterday.
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Here's a troubling thought. SHOW SPINE SENATE REPUBLICANS.

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Stimulus Could Trigger Rampant Inflation

Monday, February 2, 2009 2:13 PM

By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

The central economic crisis of the next five years may not be the greed-induced worldwide recession we're now mired in - but the rampant global inflation that the politicians' response to that recession could trigger. Recessions, and even depressions, come and go. But inflation has the potential to stick around for decades.

Look at what the TARP bailout has done to the money supply. From 2000 through 2007, the money supply rose on average by $351 billion a year, with annual growth only once exceeding $400 billion. In 2008, the money supply grew by $691 billion. And that includes only the first half of the TARP package and none of the coming "stimulus" package.

In the short term, this increase in the money supply won't cause inflation, but only counteracts the deflationary effect of all the money that vanished in the meltdown, or went into hiding since. But when confidence returns and that cash comes back into circulation, we'll have much too much money chasing too few goods and services - a prescription for rampant inflation.

Today's woes were induced by a combination of a political willingness to let businesses make money by making loans they shouldn't have and of businesses' alacrity in walking through that open door in search of mind-numbing profits. But we seem to be collectively blind to the likelihood that the same political tendency to give out goodies and spare us pain is now leading the government to borrow so much and so increase the money supply that inflation will be the consequence.

After all, it was the political desire to bring good news to voters that led government to make it possible for people to buy homes they couldn't afford and kids to go to colleges they couldn't pay for and families to buy cars that were too costly and businesses to survive off debt long after they ceased to turn a profit.

Now, the same desire to get re-elected is leading politicians to offer a trillion-dollar stimulus package to benefit (some) voters, along with a bailout to banks, insurers, car companies and (soon enough, no doubt) countless other failing firms.

Eventually, we will all feel the pain when inflation sets in. Then, government will have no choice but to induce a deep recession akin to the one Paul Volker triggered in the late '70s and early '80s to cure the "stagflation" left us by the policies of Presidents Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter.

President Obama and the Democrats in Congress are selling soothing syrup to their political base at a price of massive inflation and agony for the future. What Franklin Delano Roosevelt said in his first inaugural address holds doubly true today: "Faced by failure of credit, they have proposed only the lending of more money."

Democrats have, of course, always been willing to tolerate a certain level of inflation in an effort to hold down joblessness. But the lengths to which they are now going to spare us immediate pain and the implications of a doubling of the money supply in one year are beyond rational calculus.

It's hard to believe that any administration, set of economists or political party could be this irresponsible or so focused on the next election that they are literally willing to mortgage much of the next decade to win it.


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I'm no fan of inflation -- at all -- but if the choice is inflation or deflation, it's clearly the lesser of the two evils, from just about any perspective.

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I'm no fan of inflation -- at all -- but if the choice is inflation or deflation, it's clearly the lesser of the two evils, from just about any perspective.


+1, at least you could sell all your sh.....tuff, and not lose your a$$ in inflation. And the dollar wouldn't become worth a penny. :wink:

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From www.powerline.com

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Today's Rasmussen survey indicates that support for the Obama administration's pork-infested spending bill is going up in smoke: currently only 37% favor the measure while 43% oppose it.

Even worse, perhaps, is the fact that half of poll respondents say the Dems' pork-fest "may end up doing more harm than good."

People are catching on to what the bill actually does, and support seems certain to decline further. The Republicans have a winning issue here, one that can take them a long way toward reclaiming their brand. The biggest danger is an untimely collapse by Republican moderates in the Senate who are not in touch with the mood of the voters.

UPDATE: According to Byron York, Sen. Jim DeMint says, "I think we've got nearly 100 percent of Republicans who are going to vote against this bill unless it is fundamentally changed to include real economic stimulus." And the Dems are sending out hysterical emails to the effect that calls to Washington opposing the pork bill are outnumbering supporters' calls by 100-1. I'm not surprised; let's make it 200-1: (202) 224-3121.


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