Carry Instructor Shoots Student (Michigan)
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Post subject: Carry Instructor Shoots Student (Michigan)  Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:37 am |
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Quote: [url=http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story/Police-Firearms-Instructor-Shoots-Student/gEPmqyYZdE6WuAZa_tfV7w.cspx]Firearms Instructor Shoots Student
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ADDISON TOWNSHIP, Mich (WXYZ) - Police say a man is recovering after being shot in the face by the instructor during a Concealed Pistol License class.
It happened on Dequindre in Addison Township. Police say the shooting was accidental.
The investigation has determined that the instructor was demonstrating two guns during the class. Officers say he first showed a semi automatic hand gun loaded with plastic training bullets. He then displayed a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver that he thought was also loaded with plastic training bullets.
It was during that portion of the class that the .38 caliber revolver accidentally went off. The bullet ricocheted off the instructional table, hitting the student in the face.
The 52-year-old was hit on his left cheek. He immediately received medical help from another student, while other participants in the class called 911. He is currently in stable condition at Troy Beaumont hospital with non life threatening injuries.
The investigation is ongoing, and will be reviewed by the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office for possible charges.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:58 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:21 pm |
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Quote: It was during that portion of the class that the .38 caliber revolver accidentally went off. Nope.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:25 pm |
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macphisto wrote: Quote: It was during that portion of the class that the .38 caliber revolver accidentally went off. Nope. Yup. To your nope, that is. What a maroon. Him, not you.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:34 pm |
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I am soooooo tired of hearing the "gun accidentally went off" as an excuse. It's a inanimate object. It doesn't do anything by itself. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch and the gun won't do anything.
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340PD
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:06 pm |
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Wow just wow. Accidentally?!?  How about, "It was during that portion of the class that the instructor pulled the trigger and the .38 caliber revolver went off exactly as it was designed to do..."
I have a relative who just recently returned from a trip to Israel and she commented on how several times the soldiers boarded the bus to check passports and had machine guns slung over their shoulders. She mentioned how she and others were afraid that one of the machine guns would just suddenly start going off and shooting people on the bus. I tried to assure her that someone or something HAD to pull the trigger in order for the gun to fire, they don't just "go off" by themselves for no reason. They are designed that way. Tried to tie this in with the 'accidental' angle in the article. I didn't mean to hijack the thread.
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rtk
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:26 pm |
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At least it wasn't one of those damn Glocks this time. 
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Post subject: Re: Carry Instructor Shoots Student (Michigan) Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:42 pm |
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Quote: [url=http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story/Police-Firearms-Instructor-Shoots-Student/gEPmqyYZdE6WuAZa_tfV7w.cspx]Firearms Instructor Shoots Student
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It was during that portion of the class that the .38 caliber revolver accidentally went off. The bullet ricocheted off the instructional table, hitting the student in the face.
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Ouch! What are the odds?
Sounds like lousy karma.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:50 pm |
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This is why I refrain from using real guns for demonstration purposes, and, on the rare occasions I do (when demonstrating how to operate a shotgun), I have them checked four times:
1. I check it
2. A student checks it
3. Another student checks it
4. I check it again
And even then, I keep the gun pointed in a safe direction and my finger off the trigger.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:15 pm |
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I dunno. I designate (and, if necessary, research or create) a safe direction, then unload the revolver, examine it, make the whole class see and verify that it's unloaded, and follow all the other obvious safety stuff. Haven't had a bang yet; were I to have one, it'd be expensive and embarrassing, but that's it, and I think I can manage to avoid it.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:47 pm |
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I think dummy rounds, plastic bullets, snap caps etc. are a bad idea in these environments. If there's a chance that someone lets their guard down or becomes complacent or thinks something is safe because of these 'training' rounds, it's just not worth it. I'm not an instructor but I would think just sticking to live ammo, using multiple safety checks as already mentioned and following the safety rules would be better than even having to 'think' about whether or not you have the 'training' rounds in. Leave the snap caps for the living room watching tv (if your gun can't be dry fired without them and therefore requires them)...and even then...be careful.
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