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Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style
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Macx
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:00 am |
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Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:37 pm Posts: 1757 Location: Whittier
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Dick Unger wrote: It's this kind of thing, (58 in a 55 is a pretext), that keeps "us" skepitical and passively resistant to "them". Then the $25 fine set by the legislature becomes $130 because the judges collect a "law library fee" and there are local "costs" because the state does not want to "raise taxes". Screwed by the cop, the court, the legislature, and the executive, all in a few minutes.
This happened to someone who was trying to obey the law, and set the speed control to do it, and in any event was no hazzard to public safety. It's happened to all of us, and not just a few times. It's why I exercise caution (or maybe "attitude") toward police, and why I encourage others to excercise the same.
And of course the "next" police officer is simply ecouraged in his skepticism and cynicism when he encounters me. I don't treat him as well as I would if I met him on the street out of uniform, and it's probably real obvious and annoying. And I don't care at all.
Whatever it's called, society pays a terrible price for training out police to do this shit. I hate to just "+1" a post, but this one deserves it and there is nothing more I can add besides maybe a "darn tooting!"
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:24 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:43 am Posts: 7970 Location: Minneapolis MN
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Yup, to all of that. And note that Dick isn't -- nor am I, for that matter -- dumping on the cop for "obeying orders." I think it's one thing (and kinda obvious) for a government official to refuse to obey an order to, say, murder somebody; I think it's another thing for him or her to refuse to implement foolish but clearly lawful and only inappropriate-because-it's-stupid public policy, like many of the traffic laws.
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Scott Hughes
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:44 am |
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Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:44 pm Posts: 1525 Location: Isanti, MN
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Thank you for your insight Dick. This type of stuff is what fuels acrimony between the "average joe" and LE in general. The actions of some dominos through the ranks. The seat belt law really makes my blood boil. Another in a long, long list of unnecessary laws, and outright intrusions by government
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:00 pm |
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Joined: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:36 am Posts: 760 Location: Hutchinson, MN
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Scott Hughes wrote: This type of stuff is what fuels acrimony between the "average joe" and LE in general. Not to mention shooting the family dog, for which a qualifying pretext seems to be any kind of official (or unofficial!) contact.
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kecker
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:13 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:57 am Posts: 818 Location: Apple Valley, MN
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Hunter07 wrote: DeanC wrote: What would the speeding ticket have cost? Don't know, but he said that the seatbelt ticket was cheaper and wouldn't go on my MVR. Having a clean MVR is important to me due to my job & my personal vehicle insurance costs. I dunno. That's one where I would have taken the speeding ticket and gone to court. More than a couple times I've gotten "probation" where as long as I don't get another one in a years time they dismiss it. And besides, 58 in a 55?? Hell gravity coming down a hill could do that. Unless you win Murphy's lottery twice and get an a-hole judge, I'd bet they'd let you slid.
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Hunter07
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:49 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:53 am Posts: 725 Location: New Ulm area
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kecker wrote: That's one where I would have taken the speeding ticket and gone to court. While I agree, there's this little regulation that I must abide by....... Quote: Subpart C—Notification requirements and employer responsibilities §383.31 Notification of convictions for driver violations. (a) Each person who operates a commercial motor vehicle, who has a commercial driver’s license issued by a State or jurisdiction, and who is convicted of violating, in any type of motor vehicle, a State or local law relating to motor vehicle traffic control (other than a parking violation) in a State or jurisdiction other than the one which issued his/her license, shall notify an official designated by the State or jurisdiction which issued such license, of such conviction. The notification must be made within 30 days after the date that person has been convicted. (b) Each person who operates a commercial motor vehicle, who has a commercial driver’s license issued by a State or jurisdiction, and who is convicted of violating, in any type of motor vehicle, a State or local law relating to motor vehicle traffic control (other than a parking violation), shall notify his/her current employer of such conviction. The notification must be made within 30 days after the date that the person has been convicted. If the driver is not currently employed, he/she must notify the State or jurisdiction which issued the license according to §383.31(a). (c) Notification. The notification to the State official and employer must be made in writing and contain the following information: (c)(1) Driver’s full name; (c)(2) Driver’s license number; (c)(3) Date of conviction; (c)(4) The specific criminal or other offense(s), serious traffic violation(s), and other violation(s) of State or local law relating to motor vehicle traffic control, for which the person was convicted and any suspension, revocation, or cancellation of certain driving privileges which resulted from such conviction(s); (c)(5) Indication whether the violation was in a commercial motor vehicle; (c)(6) Location of offense; and (c)(7) Driver’s signature. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulati ... 3480023868Then there's this....... Quote: Subpart C—Notification requirements and employer responsibilities Question 1: Must an operator of a CMV (as defined in §383.5), who holds a CDL, notify his/her current employer of a conviction for violating a State or local (non-parking) traffic law in any type of vehicle, as required by §383.31(b), even though the conviction is under appeal? Guidance: Yes. The taking of an appeal does not vacate or annul the conviction, nor does it stay the notification requirements of §383.31. The driver must notify his/her employer within 30 days of the date of conviction. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulati ... 348002323aEven though it's been over 12 years since my last speeding ticket, if I had gone to court and lost (for 3 mph over, slim chance yes, but a very real possibility), I'd have to report it to my employer, who then must inform the insurance company. The insurance company will then tell my boss that I'm no longer 'employable' with the company by their 'standards' which is ANY 'moving violation'.
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Dick Unger
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:03 pm |
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Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:54 am Posts: 2444 Location: West Central MN
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I think a speeding ticket of <65 in A 55 does NOT go on your record anyway. I'd keep a ticket for 58 in a 55, just so I ould show people and make fun of the cop. BTW, lots of cops now have business cards. If you are stopped, ask for one, right after he answers your question as to the reason for the stop.
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Dee
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:09 pm |
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Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:39 pm Posts: 533 Location: Mankato Area
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Hunter07 wrote: Dee wrote: Hunter07, Where did you get pulled over? It would be a good location to avoid. I can't believe they gave you a 58 in a 55. That's just crap! Hwy 68 mm 131, between New Ulm & Mankato (just west of where BE Cty Rd 20 from Lake Crystal meets 68). Problem is, that is the most direct and fastest way to and from work. Thanks for the head up, Hunter07. That is right in my back yard. i go that way often. The area is hilly and you wouldn't be able to maintain 55 on the dot unless you had your cruise on. That is just a rotten trick to play on law abiding citizens. That cop could probably get every driver in that area if he wanted. I understand why you didn't want to contest that one but since I don't have a CDL at risk, i would have fought that one.
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:19 pm |
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Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:41 pm Posts: 72 Location: Hastings
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Ah, the Minnesota nanny state. Can anyone explain why it is so important to pull over/ticket you as a PRIMARY offense for not wearing a seatbelt, while by law PREVENTING seatbelt use from being mentioned in a civil lawsuit? (Wife sued after being hit from behind a few years ago and you can't state whether the victim was or was not buckled in.)
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Post subject: Re: Revenue Enhancement, Minnesota style Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:01 pm |
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Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:36 pm Posts: 129 Location: Elk River
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Quote: DALLAS – A casket minus a cadaver yielded nearly 100 pounds of marijuana after a traffic stop in Dallas. William Dale Crock of Cave City, Ark., was in jail Friday on a marijuana possession charge, plus traffic and seat beat violations. Dallas police say Crock was arrested Wednesday when bundles of marijuana were discovered under the casket's cover and pillow.
Sr. Cpl. Kevin Janse (JAN'-see) told said the van turned up during surveillance on a suspected drug house. Police stopped the van in Mesquite, after noticing Crock not wearing a seat belt. Officers also said he allegedly ran a red light and did an improper lane change.
A drug-sniffing dog alerted officers to the casket in the van.
The online records of the Lew Sterrett Justice Center had no listing for an attorney for Crock. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090626/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_marijuana_in_casketnothing like primary enforcement for easy cause for the stop.
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