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Timothy Nelson
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Post subject: Action in Hopkins Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:36 pm |
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 2:40 pm Posts: 379 Location: Hopkins
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The police presence is out pretty hardcore this evening in Hopkins. Guy with no shoes lying off Highway Seven. One liquor store surrounded by enough squads to look like Christmas on Mainstreet. Police SUV's parked at Stop Signs with no lights on. What's the scoop?
The whole city is going to hell overnight!
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:44 pm |
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a911scanner
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:29 pm |
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Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:59 am Posts: 300 Location: Near Hwy 101 & Cty Rd 5
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Well, let me see if I can be of help with that one Dean. 299C.37 POLICE COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT; USE, SALE. Subdivision 1. Use regulated. (a) No person other than peace officers within the state, the members of the State Patrol, and persons who hold an amateur radio license issued by the Federal Communications Commission, shall equip any motor vehicle with any radio equipment or combination of equipment, capable of receiving any radio signal, message, or information from any police emergency frequency, or install, use, or possess the equipment in a motor vehicle without permission from the superintendent of the bureau upon a form prescribed by the superintendent. https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=299C.37There is more to the text of the law, like Ham operators being allowed, etc. MM edited to add emphasis
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:15 am |
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Good info 911. I knew it was illegal to have a scanner. I wasn't sure how the law was worded since an Iphone isn't a technically a scanner.
But I know there a number of guys on the forum who can walk anyone through the easy steps of getting the amateur license that would allow you to legally have a scanner or device that acts like a scanner in your car.
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Jeremiah
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:31 am |
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Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:46 pm Posts: 1292 Location: Minneapolis
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DeanC wrote: Good info 911. I knew it was illegal to have a scanner. I wasn't sure how the law was worded since an Iphone isn't a technically a scanner.
But I know there a number of guys on the forum who can walk anyone through the easy steps of getting the amateur license that would allow you to legally have a scanner or device that acts like a scanner in your car. Yup. I can name three amateur radio guys offhand: me, Andrew, and KA0LD. I'm sure there's more...
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:34 am |
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An iPhone doesn't receive a signal "from any police emergency frequency". It receives it from cellular frequencies. It's no different that if I had my Wi-Fi laptop in my car, set to a scan website.
It's the manner of transmission that's illegal, not the content.
Besides, you can always turn your iPhone (or laptop) off, when you see the blue lights in your mirror. Then, it's just inert plastic.
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Traveler
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:50 am |
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Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:46 pm Posts: 845 Location: Saint Paul
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Ah . . . not to barge in on your tangent, but what did happen in Hopkins yesterday?
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Binky .357
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:48 am |
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Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 3:02 am Posts: 816 Location: South of the River Suburbs
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Jeremiah wrote: DeanC wrote: But I know there a number of guys on the forum who can walk anyone through the easy steps of getting the amateur license that would allow you to legally have a scanner or device that acts like a scanner in your car. Yup. I can name three amateur radio guys offhand: me, Andrew, and KA0LD. I'm sure there's more... KC0FZZ checking in...
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Hunter07
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:39 am |
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chunkstyle wrote: It's the manner of transmission that's illegal, not the content.
Besides, you can always turn your iPhone (or laptop) off, when you see the blue lights in your mirror. Then, it's just inert plastic. May work for iPhones & laptops, but having a scanner turned off AND unplugged doesn't work. With all the different '10 codes' used by the multitude of jurisdictions across the country, I could care less about LEO communications. I used to have a Bearcat BCT-7 in my semi when I used to go from the Twin Cities to Los Angeles every week. It was pre-programmed and I'd listen to various state/ county plow trucks and NOAA weather radio in the winter months. Made me a safer driver (because I'd get off the road or take a different route if shitty weather was rolling in), but the New Hope cop and MSP CMV trooper didn't see it that way when they handed me a ticket for $195.
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kecker
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:57 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:57 am Posts: 818 Location: Apple Valley, MN
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Traveler wrote: Ah . . . not to barge in on your tangent, but what did happen in Hopkins yesterday? Heh, who are you to to challenge a legitimate threadjacking?!??
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Steve_G
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:47 pm |
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Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:34 pm Posts: 22 Location: Minneapolis, South Danger Zone
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KC0ORD checking in...I really feel that the officer would take said iPhone as he heard his voice coming over it.
I belive the law states that you could hear what was being transmitted over a police frequency...but IANAL.
Nothing on the news...oops I mean Obama TV
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a911scanner
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:03 pm |
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Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:59 am Posts: 300 Location: Near Hwy 101 & Cty Rd 5
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chunkstyle wrote: An iPhone doesn't receive a signal "from any police emergency frequency". It receives it from cellular frequencies. It's no different that if I had my Wi-Fi laptop in my car, set to a scan website.
It's the manner of transmission that's illegal, not the content.
Besides, you can always turn your iPhone (or laptop) off, when you see the blue lights in your mirror. Then, it's just inert plastic. Hey Chunk, I'll agree with your premise, but I disagree with your reading between the lines. Notice the section of the statute that I bolded and underlined. Your I-phone, while not a radio receiver of those frequencies (the part I agree with you about) would be receiving the message or information from those frequencies if you were listening to a live scanner feed on the internet. IANAL, but this would be my interpretation of what I'm reading. As an aside, it's obvious to most by my screen name that I listen to scanners... But why am I not a HAM????!!!! MM
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Q_Continuum
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:40 am |
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Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:43 am Posts: 371 Location: Anoka, MN
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I'll raise my hand for the "I want my amateur radio license" group. Been thinking about it a long time, and I know a few years back they made it easier (You no longer have to know Morse Code for at least the entry level license, trying to get more people into the hobby)
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:36 am |
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Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:54 am Posts: 5270 Location: Minneapolis
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Steve_G wrote: I really feel that the officer would take said iPhone as he heard his voice coming over it. Using the app and stream I posted above it's unlikely the officer would hear himself. Two reasons: 1) When the officer approaches your car and begins asking you questions, he is not broadcasting over the air. Usually what they do is pull you over and then radio back to dispatch saying something to the effect of: I have stopped a <car description> with Minnesota plate number XXX-123 and am getting out of my car to go talk to them. The rest of it takes place off the air. When the stop is over, they radio back to dispatch and say they are back in the car and rolling again. 2) That stream is sort of like a party line for much of the metro police, fire and EMS systems. You can only hear one call at a time. It blocks all other traffic except the current call that it has picked up. As soon as that one clicks off, it jumps to another. It can actually be a little frustrating listening because what you are hearing hops all over the place around the cities. It's not always real continuous unless something big is going down. Of course, you'd also have to be a complete doofus not to turn the app and/or your phone off before he even approaches your car. He'd need to have probable cause to search your iPhone and know what the app looks like in order to prosecute for the violation of the statute. Speeding is not probable cause to search your phone for scanner software. Unless maybe the officer works for the MGSF and in that case, he'll just keep the phone anyhow.
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Macx
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Post subject: Re: Action in Hopkins Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:22 am |
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Quote: Unless maybe the officer works for the MGSF and in that case, he'll just keep the phone anyhow. I LOLed at that. May they remain a running joke for more years than their most senior member had in service. So how does one go about getting started in scanning/ham & is it worth it now that officers are free to "text" the intreresting stuff from their unit/laptop?
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