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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:47 pm |
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Mosin
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:03 pm |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: What reason do you have to suspect this will happen?
Hopefully it won't but currently the way the bill is drafted, I don't know what would stop it.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:14 pm |
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Mosin wrote: Andrew Rothman wrote: What reason do you have to suspect this will happen? Hopefully it won't but currently the way the bill is drafted, I don't know what would stop it. Minnesota Statute 471.633 stops it. Quote: Chapter 471. MUNICIPAL RIGHTS, POWERS, DUTIES <...> 471.633 FIREARMS.
The legislature preempts all authority of a home rule charter or statutory city including a city of the first class, county, town, municipal corporation, or other governmental subdivision, or any of their instrumentalities, to regulate firearms, ammunition, or their respective components to the complete exclusion of any order, ordinance or regulation by them except that:
(a) a governmental subdivision may regulate the discharge of firearms; and
(b) a governmental subdivision may adopt regulations identical to state law.
Local regulation inconsistent with this section is void.
_________________ * NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.
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Mosin
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:55 pm |
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It's going to get interesting. Rep. Dill actually spoke directly about this tonight.
His words to the best of my memory:
The next draft of the bill will likely contain language allowing for regulating the casing of long guns in vehicles in communities that regulate the discharge of firearms.
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:17 am |
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Municipalities can also regulate certain hunting activities. They may try to get around the superceding state clause that way.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:30 pm |
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:03 pm |
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Can you bowhunt in your front yard?
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SultanOfBrunei
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:06 pm |
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DeanC wrote: Can you bowhunt in your front yard? Per the Lakeville City Code, I could not bow hunt nor target practice with a bow in my front yard. City Code defines firearms as such and restricts where one can be discharged. Quote: FIREARM: Shotguns, rifles, bows and arrows, air rifles, BB guns, handguns, regardless of the method of propulsion.
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Mosin
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:36 pm |
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I think Andrew's point was that they are only regulating discharging a firearm and not regulating actual hunting.
However, I don't think the DNR will let me take an animal with my bare hands so hunting in Bloomington is pretty much out of the question without a special permit.
I suppose I could drive a .30-06 round through a deer with my bare hand. Then everyone would be happy.
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Mosin
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:40 pm |
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SultanOfBrunei wrote: FIREARM: Shotguns, rifles, bows and arrows, air rifles, BB guns, handguns, regardless of the method of propulsion.
Who's going to propel a shotgun, rifle, bow, bb gun or handgun?
I get mad at myself if I let them fall against the safe wall. I'm certainly not going to throw them at anything -- unless I had to.
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16+1HuRah
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:39 pm |
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Im a new member so real quick could you explain what this "cased uncased" bill is about?
Thanks, Evan
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JGalt
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:12 am |
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Responding to the OP - I plan on getting around the need to carry a defensive handgun by using an AR chambered for the 6.5 Grendel. It will easily take down a deer out past 300 yards, and assuming you keep from s***ing yourself, should do just fine against a charging black bear - or any other 'animal' who might decide to charge or begin throwing lead your way...
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:48 am |
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I'm assuming JGalt knows but just to be clear ... .223 is a legal cartridge for deer in MN. Shot placement is king I hear and the 6.5 sounds like more cartridge but isn't a legal requirement, just a "bring enough cartridge for the job" requirement.
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JGalt
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:17 am |
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plblark wrote: I'm assuming JGalt knows but just to be clear ... .223 is a legal cartridge for deer in MN. Shot placement is king I hear and the 6.5 sounds like more cartridge but isn't a legal requirement, just a "bring enough cartridge for the job" requirement.
You are correct - I am aware that .223 is a legal round in both MN & WI. I also like to think that I'm a good enough shot to be able to use .223, but I'd much prefer to have more than enough cartridge for the job, rather than just enough. And besides, I'm not 100% convinced that a .223 would be "enough cartridge" against a charging black bear.
Also, I will be hunting with my Dad, and he hunts in WI. (I grew up south of Milwaukee, and my Dad still lives there - he hunts in central WI.) My carry permit won't help me there, and I'm pretty sure the local LEO / DNR wouldn't take too kindly to my G19. There are a couple of other factors as well:
1. Where we hunt is a combination of dense wooded areas separated by good-sized corn fields. The 6.5 will be less-affected by the random tree branch than will a .223, as well as giving me a much longer range over the corn fields.
2. We all know that a handgun is the weapon of choice for self-defense only because all other firearms are too difficult to carry around. If I'm going to be out in the woods with a bunch of other hunters with rifles, my G19 isn't going to do me a heck of a lot of good. On the remote chance that I ever need to fire in self-defense while hunting, I'd much rather have the firepower available from a semi-auto rifle than that available from my Glock.
Standard disclaimer - I am much less likely to ever fire in self-defense while hunting since the distances likely would be hard to justify it. I'm just saying that should a justifiable need every arise, I'd prefer to have an AR available over my Glock. Wouldn't we all?
(I'd really prefer to have both available, but I'll give that up in order to hunt with my Dad...)
_________________ "It is only as retaliation that force may be used and only against the man who starts its use. No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had a right to choose: his own." - John Galt, from Atlas Shrugged
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