OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b
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J. R.
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Post subject: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:12 pm |
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OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid boarding them while on vacation http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/pets/49088636.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUeDa_:DCiUiacyKUUrCOLUMBUS, Ohio - A judge has given a 90-day jail sentence to an Ohio firefighter accused of killing his dogs to avoid boarding them while he went on vacation. Forty-three-year-old David Santuomo of Columbus pleaded guilty Wednesday to two counts of animal cruelty and one count of possession of a criminal tool — a homemade silencer he used on the end of a rifle. Assistant Franklin County Prosecutor Heather Robinson says Santuomo shot his two mixed-breed dogs Sloopy and Skeeter on Dec. 3 after tying them to a pipe in his basement. She says he dumped the remains in a trash bin behind his firehouse. Prosecutors have said he bragged about the killings to colleagues. Defense attorney Sam Shamansky calls the crime an isolated event "totally out of character" for his client. ___ Information from: The Columbus Dispatch, http://www.dispatch.com
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:30 am |
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:05 am |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: While I think the firefighter was a heartless jerk, I see no crime there. If he had brought the dogs to the veterinarian and paid for it, he could have had them killed with sodium pentothal and no one would have blinked an eye. Back during the coverage of Hurricane Katrina, I got some very unpleasant comments after I observed that the dog owners who had to be evacuated had an obligation to put their dogs down, rather than to leave them behind.
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Macx
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:26 am |
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Should be no crime. Quote: a homemade silencer and maybe "discharge of a firearm in city limits" or some such are certainly crimes that would seem applicable. I am one who rarely fails to pick up the banner for decriminalizing silencers/suppressors, but it is hard to deny that federal law is currently on the books. I don't see it as cruelty if he was careful and made an effort to get a brain stem shot. . . but then there are some sick and twisted individuals who might "play" a bit with new toy like a suppressor & that would make me very, very Angry
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White Horseradish
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:18 pm |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: While I think the firefighter was a heartless jerk, I see no crime there. If he had brought the dogs to the veterinarian and paid for it, he could have had them killed with sodium pentothal and no one would have blinked an eye. Quote: he dumped the remains in a trash bin behind his firehouse It is very likely a crime in Ohio to dispose of animal carcasses in the trash. When my cat died last week I called the city about the regulations on what to do with the body the first thing they told me was "DO NOT put the body in the garbage". Apparently this is a state law: Quote: Minnesota code 35.82
Subd. 2.Disposition of carcasses.
(a) Except as provided in subdivision 1b and paragraph (d), every person owning or controlling any domestic animal that has died or been killed otherwise than by being slaughtered for human or animal consumption, shall as soon as reasonably possible bury the carcass at a depth adequate to prevent scavenging by other animals in the ground or thoroughly burn it or dispose of it by another method approved by the board as being effective for the protection of public health and the control of livestock diseases. And, as Macx mentioned, there is the homemade silencer and discharge within city limits.
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J. R.
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:41 pm |
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AND Quote: he bragged about the killings to colleagues Somehow I imagine myself being somewhat despondent about having to put down my pet, but hey thats just me.
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White Horseradish
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:05 pm |
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J. R. wrote: Somehow I imagine myself being somewhat despondent about having to put down my pet, but hey thats just me. He's an insensitive prick. I hate people like that.
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mrokern
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:24 pm |
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Doesn't anybody think that there might be something very emotionally wrong with this guy? All the dogs I've had have been like members of the family...why the hell would I shoot them?
If there's not a law, there should be. If you take on the responsibility for a creature, you care for it.
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:08 am |
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mrokern wrote: Doesn't anybody think that there might be something very emotionally wrong with this guy? All the dogs I've had have been like members of the family...why the hell would I shoot them?
If there's not a law, there should be. If you take on the responsibility for a creature, you care for it.
-Mark I agree with Mark. We have had several dogs over the years and all of them were more than just pets. My kids grew up with some of them and they were truly, "Part of the Family". I can see having them "Put Down" but not just killed for the sake of it. Very sick individual
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White Horseradish
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:39 am |
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Seems to me he's just a guy who can't tell being tough from being a dick. He probably thought killing dogs would be a manly thing to do.
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:01 am |
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Some other news stories are saying the dogs were sick from ingesting antifreeze before he killed them. Toxicology tests are pending.
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:02 am |
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The guy is a jerk, and a ass, and a whatever you want to put here, but are more laws and more government really the answer. I do not understand the folks who say there should a law and then also try to champion freedom and liberty. You cannot have it both ways IMO. YMMV.
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mrokern
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:21 am |
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jaysong wrote: The guy is a jerk, and a ass, and a whatever you want to put here, but are more laws and more government really the answer. I do not understand the folks who say there should a law and then also try to champion freedom and liberty. You cannot have it both ways IMO. YMMV. I've got no problem with a law saying that I need to treat animals under my care humanely. That in no way infringes on my rights. Then again, I don't consider a pet to be mere property (not saying you do, mind you, but there are those who think that way). I'm not out for anarchy. I'm out for less laws that cut down on my rights. -Mark
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jaysong
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:11 am |
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Who gets to define "humanely"? PITA, Obama, Micheal Vick? I am not trying to attack your position, I am trying to challenge it to make you think about it though.
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mrokern
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Post subject: Re: OH firefighter gets jail; accused of killing dogs to avoid b Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:38 am |
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jaysong wrote: Who gets to define "humanely"? PITA, Obama, Micheal Vick? I am not trying to attack your position, I am trying to challenge it to make you think about it though. No offense taken, and I'm an animal lover, so I'm going to come down solidly on one side on this one. I'm leaving Obama out of it. He's got nothing to do with it other than being the current executive. I don't see how anybody can consider what this guy did to be the least bit socially acceptable, or moral, or ethical, or anything else. How about "any animal registered as a pet within the city (e.g. dog license)" for a definition of what is covered. Make it a city-level ordinance, that leaves the farm folks out of things. How hard would it be to state that unwanted pets under the above definition would need to be taken to a shelter? Shit, with the cost of ammo the gas to drive them there is probably cheaper. Not saying the animals might not be euthanized, but at least this way it's done in a humane manner (under a definition I think we can agree on). -Mark
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