Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . .
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Lenny7
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:25 am |
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rtk wrote: Was there any mention of the names of the 13 departments that were involved in the unit? Current as of February, 2009: METRO GANG STRIKE FORCE MEMBERSCommander:Ron Ryan <since retired> Assistant Commander:Lieutenant Jim Heimerl (Minneapolis Police Departrnent) Departments:Brooklyn Park Police DepartmentOfficer Greg Burstad Dakota County Sheriff's OfficeDeputy Chris Melton Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)Special Agent Bill Murphy Hennepin County Sheriff's OfficeDeputy Terry Bean Deputy Darryl Loken Deputy Charles Salminen Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE)Special Agent Paul Nichols Special Agent Troy Szotkowski Lino Lakes Police DepartmentOfficer Tim Noll Maplewood Police DepartmentOfficer Alicia Metry Metro Transit Police DepartmentOfficer Ken Vandesteeg Minneapolis Police DepartmentSergeant Jeff Jindra Sergeant Randy Olson Officer Dave Gannan Officer Larry Loonsfoot Officer Mike Nimlos Officer Terry Nutter Officer Lucas Peterson Officer Fransisco Porras Officer Jeff Seidl Minnesota Department of Corrections (DOC)Investigator Erin Spruance North Saint Paul Police DepartmentSergeant Charles Kunkel Ramsey County Sheriff's OfficeSergeant Todd Thompson Deputy Jon Hankes Deputy Paul Meskan Deputy Don Sazma Deputy Mike Servatka Deputy Chris Tayson Saint Paul Police DepartmentOfficer Sandy Kennedy Officer John McManus Officer Tim Pinoniemi Officer Mike Polski Officer Andy Shoemaker Officer Frank Verdeja Richfield Police DepartmentOfficer Greg Peterson Washington County Sheriff's OfficeDeputy Tim Wessels West Saint Paul Police DepartmentOfficer Matt Swenke Source (PDF file): MGSF 2008 Annual Report
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:13 pm |
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Traveler wrote: Observation: Could there be a nexus between the closing of the Myth nightclub and the disbanding of the MGSF? Nah! Of course not. Pure coincidence. I'm still trying to figure out how they racked up $16MM in debt on that place. This would explain it.
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kimberman
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:08 pm |
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joelr wrote: There may -- may -- have only been ten to twelve crooked cops who demonstrably "lost their way" by what the speakers called something like "taking the property of others and converting it to their own use" or what we ordinary folks call "stealing other folks stuff while carrying guns," but the problem goes far beyond that. No. They all learn to lie and steal at their "parent" police departments. Some do, the others just watch and remain silent. The POLICE originated the "Don't Be Snitchin'" slogan, not any other gang. These guys were crooks (small scale) and perjurers long before they got to the GSF. They got the attitude that's it's OK for US to do this from their training officers, partners, shift buddies, and they all knew that no one (including all the other cops who did knew) would ever discipline them. It's, unfortunately, the POLICE system in action. Maybe 5% of cops don't know (being VERY generous) but 100% of those who do, don't tell. That makes all of those cops accomplices. Sorry, but that how it is. There are, of course, exceptions. Can anyone name one at the GSF besides Omodt?
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:26 am |
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kimberman wrote: joelr wrote: There may -- may -- have only been ten to twelve crooked cops who demonstrably "lost their way" by what the speakers called something like "taking the property of others and converting it to their own use" or what we ordinary folks call "stealing other folks stuff while carrying guns," but the problem goes far beyond that. No. They all learn to lie and steal at their "parent" police departments. Some do, the others just watch and remain silent. The POLICE originated the "Don't Be Snitchin'" slogan, not any other gang. These guys were crooks (small scale) and perjurers long before they got to the GSF. They got the attitude that's it's OK for US to do this from their training officers, partners, shift buddies, and they all knew that no one (including all the other cops who did knew) would ever discipline them. It's, unfortunately, the POLICE system in action. Maybe 5% of cops don't know (being VERY generous) but 100% of those who do, don't tell. That makes all of those cops accomplices. Sorry, but that how it is. There are, of course, exceptions. Can anyone name one at the GSF besides Omodt? For sure, no. Reading between the lines, it's likely that one or more of Bean, Loken, and Salminen were/are straight arrows, and possibly Wessels. It's clear that there was a whistleblower other than Omodt; I'm not sure who it is, and, of course, if I was, I wouldn't be outing him. Your point stands, though. I wish I could disagree with it, but I don't. Ron Ryan, by and large, got the kind of cops that he wanted, and made them even moreso.
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:44 am |
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What's also true is that the donating agencies got *rid* of the kind of cops that Ryan wanted, and they likely wanted it that way, too. Now, they have to take all these winners *back*...
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DeanC
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:55 am |
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chunkstyle wrote: Now, they have to take all these winners *back*... And they aren't going to be in a good mood either.
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Scott Hughes
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:06 pm |
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A little union support, some good (expensive) lawyering, and they can all join Landen Michael Beard at a Fed post .
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:31 pm |
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Scott Hughes wrote: A little union support, some good (expensive) lawyering, and they can all join Landen Michael Beard at a Fed post . Did that happen? I guessed hat the Feds wouldn't be interested after his incident. But then, I had also heard that the "Fed post" he was after was a Postal Inspector job, so it'd take some creativity to get into real trouble there...
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reaver3
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:07 pm |
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chunkstyle wrote: Quote: I had also heard that the "Fed post" he was after was a Postal Inspector job, so it'd take some creativity to get into real trouble there... I don't know about that. Postal Inspectors can carry on planes whether on duty or off (I know one). Would you want to be on the same aircraft as Beard?
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:49 am |
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:18 pm |
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Does the whistle blower lawsuit against the city of Minneapolis by Sergeant O'Rourke have any merit? Or is it just a smoke and mirriors kind of thing?
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:48 pm |
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Judge wrote: Does the whistle blower lawsuit against the city of Minneapolis by Sergeant O'Rourke have any merit? Or is it just a smoke and mirriors kind of thing? The answer is "yes." It's too soon to tell, although there's indicia in his lawyer's interview of both merit and an attempt to get out in front of a problem.
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SethB
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:52 pm |
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reaver3 wrote: "Today we will not lay blame or point fingers"
Then why even have this hearing? You have a hearing to gather information (evidence). Then you use the evidence to lay blame, point fingers, get indictments and convictions, etc.
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mrokern
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:51 pm |
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SethB wrote: reaver3 wrote: "Today we will not lay blame or point fingers"
Then why even have this hearing? You have a hearing to gather information (evidence). Then you use the evidence to lay blame, point fingers, get indictments and convictions, etc. Yup. Actually, considering the depth and level of corruption (I'm not afraid to use that word, even if other people are) in this mess, I'm glad that the FBI and US Attorney are handling the "blame game". -Mark
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kimberman
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Post subject: Re: Liveblogging the Gang Strike Force Scandal Hearing . . . Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:30 pm |
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mrokern wrote: I'm glad that the FBI and US Attorney are handling the "blame game". -Mark Yes. The FBI and DOJ's Public Integrity Sections have a good record.
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